Can you defend Trump without mentioning Hillary?

Please try to do it here.

I'm not voting for Trump, but what are we supposed to be defending here? Most of his actions I find indefensible, but he is probably better on free trade. So there is one point.

Yeah. There's plenty of irrelevant b.s. that's flung Trump's way. The reason why Hillary is brought up is because the MSM complains about Trump when Hillary has done similar or worse things.

The entire point of "defending Trump" has to do with what Trump is part of --- the election. So....defending Trump against what or who? Hillary. The two go hand-in-hand. It's silly to ask someone to defend their own candidate without mentioning the other candidate's name.

Josie said:

The entire point of "defending Trump" has to do with what Trump is part of --- the election. So....defending Trump against what or who? Hillary. The two go hand-in-hand. It's silly to ask someone to defend their own candidate without mentioning the other candidate's name.

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Plus, it goes both ways. Most democrats who plan on voting for Hillary are more impassioned in their hatred for Trump than their love for Hillary.

Voted "yes" as the die-hard Trump supporters can probably mention "wall," or "kick 'em all out," or "this will be great (or fantastic, or something along those lines.)"

But for the rest of us that do not really like either one, we cannot help but note for the record that when you are comparing to pieces of ****... all you are doing is picking the smaller piece of ****. Then going home from the voting booth realizing you are not real pleased with the one you picked.

(So vote third party, end this nonsense.)

MrPeanut said:

I'm not voting for Trump, but what are we supposed to be defending here? Most of his actions I find indefensible, but he is probably better on free trade. So there is one point.

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Well Trump just says no TPP. That's not really a position. You just defended him without mentioning Hillary though, so I guess that counts.

OrphanSlug said:

Voted "yes" as the die-hard Trump supporters can probably mention "wall," or "kick 'em all out," or "this will be great (or fantastic, or something along those lines.)"

But for the rest of us that do not really like either one, we cannot help but note for the record that when you are comparing to pieces of ****... all you are doing is picking the smaller piece of ****. Then going home from the voting booth realizing you are not real pleased with the one you picked.

(So vote third party, end this nonsense.)

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Well the third parties are wack, this time around. They aren't any better IMO. I agree with you, but the wall has kinda taken a backburner don't you think? All this other stuff is worse and you are left with basically two promises Trump has made. A) He will build the wall. B) He will appoint a conservative SCOTUS. Both highly unlikely and you cannot really do anything but hope he follows through haha.

ModerateGOP said:

Please try to do it here.

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Not really. My entire premise is that he is a jerk, but still an order of magnitude better than Hillary.

Josie said:

The entire point of "defending Trump" has to do with what Trump is part of --- the election. So....defending Trump against what or who? Hillary. The two go hand-in-hand. It's silly to ask someone to defend their own candidate without mentioning the other candidate's name.

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Well Trump does stupid stuff that does not involve Hillary in anyway. That's what I was referring to. Then Trump supporters often point to something similar that Hillary did even though it had nothing to do with her in the first place.

Sure. No problem.

Our government has a problem, one caused and allowed by we the people. It's old, decrepit, stagnant; rotten to the core. Right now, we, the people, are like a frog stuck in a pot of water with the burner on. The water is slowly getting hotter, and we aren't noticing, or caring. And like that frog, by the time we do, it'll be too late. Trump in the big seat is like turning the heat up with o n full. I'm tired of things slowly getting worse. I think it's time thing get worse dramatically faster. Trump will be the forest fire

ModerateGOP said:

Well Trump does stupid stuff that does not involve Hillary in anyway. That's what I was referring to. Then Trump supporters often point to something similar that Hillary did even though it had nothing to do with her in the first place.

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And Hillary supporters do the same thing. Why? Because they're in competition with each other. It's natural to mention the other side.

ModerateGOP said:

Please try to do it here.

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Defend him from what? Elite pukes who think he's rude and crude?

Do you know why an ordinary American might want to vote for Trump? Yes, I know. You have no idea.

LowDown said:

Defend him from what? Elite pukes who think he's rude and crude?

Do you know why an ordinary American might want to vote for Trump? Yes, I know. You have no idea.

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Then why don't you tell me?

KevinKohler said:

Sure. No problem.

Our government has a problem, one caused and allowed by we the people. It's old, decrepit, stagnant; rotten to the core. Right now, we, the people, are like a frog stuck in a pot of water with the burner on. The water is slowly getting hotter, and we aren't noticing, or caring. And like that frog, by the time we do, it'll be too late. Trump in the big seat is like turning the heat up with o n full. I'm tired of things slowly getting worse. I think it's time thing get worse dramatically faster. Trump will be the forest fire

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So you want Trump to be a dictator and silence the people??? OK dude. Great idea there.

Josie said:

And Hillary supporters do the same thing. Why? Because they're in competition with each other. It's natural to mention the other side.

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Yes, the vast majority of voters are voting for one candidate because they're afraid of what the other candidate will do. That's from actual polling data.

ModerateGOP said:

Then why don't you tell me?

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No, I have no further use for you. Have a nice day.

ModerateGOP said:

Then why don't you tell me?

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Defend Trump from what exactly? Not everything Trump does is defensible. You mean the "he doesn't pay his contractors" b.s.? Because they did a sub-standard job or because maybe the people filing a lawsuit just want to sue him in the hopes that he will settle. Without details about the circumstances of the liens in question then it's all a bunch of b.s. Recently a bunch of Aurora shooting survivors sued the theater for not providing adequate security. The case was frivolous b.s. Same with many of the liens.

ModerateGOP said:

Please try to do it here.

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Excellent poll. Based on my observations, the answer is a clear no. The responses so far are vindicating that position.

Goshin said:

Not really. My entire premise is that he is a jerk, but still an order of magnitude better than Hillary.

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Thank you.

I'm not a Trump guy.

My support this year went to James Webb (D) of Virginia.
But Mr Webb's DNC offered him zero support, and so he dropped out fairly early.

To the point of the OP, I think Donald Trump, despite being a bombastic, arrogant hot-dog, will do fine as the next US President.
And I can defend that;

He has accomplished much, he has built much, and he has (in my polite opinion) the good of the nation ahead of his own personal ambitions.

Does he have flaws?
Yes.
He's impulsive, he's boorish, and he's argumentative.
But after 8 long years of constant apologizing to other nations on the part of the current President, I think that's what this nation just might need.
A ****-strong cowboy who is unapologetic about American exceptionalism.

I do think he is just smart enough to hire a sane and competent staff.
He knows his left and right limits, and most of his skill sets and competencies involve business, international relations, money-making, and building.

He will definitely have to bring in the best and brightest to cover-down on Defense, border security, and revamping health-care.

Do I believe that he is racist and sexist?
Not really.
He's just willing to criticize women and people of color as willingly as he criticizes white men, which he has quite a track record of doing.

I really wish that James Webb had made it to the final show, but that's life in that particular Party's politics.

But I am comfortable voting for Donald Trump, a thoroughly 'what you see is what you get' human being.

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Well Trump just says no TPP. That's not really a position. You just defended him without mentioning Hillary though, so I guess that counts.

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Trump is against trade deals that result in more Americans being laid off, and their jobs being sent to Latin America and Asia.
That's why he opposes TPP.

Both Hillary and Obama have supported TPP. And if you take offense that I mentioned Hillary, that's too bad. She is not a democrat who supports American workers, so under the bus she goes.

Can you defend Hillary without mentioning Trump?

Bias is bias.

I voted yes.

1. I believe he will appoint Justices to SCOTUS who will preserve and defend our Constitutional rights, especially those under the Second Amendment which now applies to States.

2. I believe he will do something about both illegal immigration (albeit not a real "Great Wall of America), and preventing entry of refugee migrants.

3A. I believe he will take steps to require NATO members to live up to their treaty obligations (pay their fair share) under threat of invoking Article 13. NATO - Official text: The North Atlantic Treaty, 04-Apr.-1949

3B. I do not believe he will renege on our NATO obligations if any member is attacked while the US remains in NATO.

4. I believe he can and will establish détente with Russia, rather than allowing a new cold war to develop.

I am not certain of the rest, other than to reiterate that he will not be able to accomplish anything unless he has support in Congress from both parties.

Josie said:

The entire point of "defending Trump" has to do with what Trump is part of --- the election. So....defending Trump against what or who? Hillary. The two go hand-in-hand. It's silly to ask someone to defend their own candidate without mentioning the other candidate's name.

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Perhaps his policies?