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Trump V Clinton - Who won the debate? [W:552]

Trump V ClintonWho won the debate?


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I saw it as a draw-pretty bland. I assumed that many people believed that a career politician who has been planning to be president for 25 years would be smoother than Trump but I really couldn't see one doing better than others. I saw as the single best point made by Trump as his answer as to ISIS where he noted the vacuum created by the withdrawal (under Obama) was the cause.
 
Trump leans into his punches hard, and strikes with conviction and charisma that Clinton just can't rival, who consistently came off as weak barring several exceptions. He may not have won on substance but he won in terms of execution.

Don't really want to admit it, but in balance, Trump was much more effective at these debates in general, even though the fact checkers are going to have a field day.

I agree. But I don't think a true Trump supporter really let's things like facts effect their support. I suspect that very few of them will even bother to check on it.

Trump was the proverbial playground bully, true to his own style. He can't help himself. I dunno, some people despise bully's and some people stand beside them. We all learned that in high school. I am reminded of an old movie "Back to the Future."

Here is a photo from the old movie. "Biff" the bully and his supporting minions picking on McFly.

Biff is Donald Trump. Trump's supporters are those dudes standing behind Biff wanting to clique with the Bully boy.

Uncanny, hey?

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I'll take some of the forum's most visible Trump supporters not being honest enough to say he lost as a sign that he did. It's amazing, they're **** sure that Trump is better than Hillary, but can't tell after watching him debate her.

These people. I tell ya.
 
Trump rambled for most of the debate and fused thoughts together mid sentence.

Donald Trump......making stream-of-consciousness great again!!
 
My reply is going to be somewhat nuanced. Based on the choices given, I have to give this to Hillary. However, it's not that Hillary won the debate. It's that Trump lost it, after a fairly decent start.
 
I'll be interested to see who the polls show as the winner. The pundits are all going for Hillary, but that doesn't really much in the grand scheme of things.

I think Trump actually did better than I expected. I won't deny that he allowed Hillary to lead him down a lot of bad rabbit holes, however.
 
This sums up Trump in this debate for me:

stuart stevens @stuartpstevens
Trump brought 20 minutes of material to a 90 minute show.
 
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Hillary is still hugging it out with people... Trump? Off the stage.


Sent from a flower watered by the tears of Trump supporters and crazy newb liberals.

He's tired....he's got no stamina.
 
I'll take some of the forum's most visible Trump supporters not being honest enough to say he lost as a sign that he did.

I'll take some of the forum's most visible Hillary supporters not being honest enough to say she lost as a sign that she did.
 
I'll be interested to see who the polls show as the winner. The pundits are all going for Hillary, but that doesn't really much in the grand scheme of things.

I think Trump actually did better than I expected. I won't deny that he allowed Hillary to lead him down a lot of bad rabbit holes, however.

he was weak on defending his past claim about her standing or stamina or WTF to be president. He should have hammered her fainting spells etc and when she brayed about all the countries she went to he could have done a better job. As I noted, she didn't do anything to defend his effective attack about the formation of ISIS.

as I said, it was pretty bland and pretty much a draw.
 
I'll be interested to see who the polls show as the winner. The pundits are all going for Hillary, but that doesn't really much in the grand scheme of things.

Quite true.

I think Trump actually did better than I expected. I won't deny that he allowed Hillary to lead him down a lot of bad rabbit holes, however.

I think that this cartoon pretty much sums up the debate, if you ask me.

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I selected "other" because, as Fletch said in post #3, Republicans will say Trump won, Democrats will say Hillary won. I didn't watch to see who would win. I watched to see if either one would crash and burn. Sadly, Hillary hung in there.

On the other hand, if I HAD to choose a loser, it would be Mr. Holt. Both candidates ran roughshod over him, starting from the opening bell. He never really recovered control.


On a side note, here's an interesting story: I took a quick break during the debate and, on my phone, I saw a Drudge poll about who won. Naturally, I chose Trump. Well, I got a response that my vote was blocked because of "questionable voting practices". I thought, "Huh?? I've never voted in one of these things before!". So, I then voted for Hillary...and it accepted my vote!! I don't know...that was kind of odd, don't you think? In any case, it didn't matter that I got counted for Hillary...she had about 3% to Trump's 93%. According to that Drudge poll, he won.
 
Hillary won but let us be honest...most Trump supporters don't watch presidential debates.
 
Hillary won but let us be honest...most Trump supporters don't watch presidential debates.

....and most Hillary supporters watch 'way too much television.
Eating McDonald's Big Macs.

Waiting for the next check to arrive in the mailbox.

Just saying......
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Hillary won but let us be honest...most Trump supporters don't watch presidential debates.

lets be honest-your opinion is just that and I reject both your claim as to who won and your condescending claims about those planning on voting for Trump.
 
Trump got suckered into spending too much time defending himself.
Now I can see what Hillary was practicing for weeks.
 
....and most Hillary supporters watch 'way too much television.
Eating McDonald's Big Macs.

Waiting for the next check to arrive in the mailbox.

Just saying......
:(

while the accuracy of your claim is of dubious merit, It gets an A for amusing and funny
 
I selected "other" because, as Fletch said in post #3, Republicans will say Trump won, Democrats will say Hillary won. I didn't watch to see who would win. I watched to see if either one would crash and burn. Sadly, Hillary hung in there.

On the other hand, if I HAD to choose a loser, it would be Mr. Holt. Both candidates ran roughshod over him, starting from the opening bell. He never really recovered control.


On a side note, here's an interesting story: I took a quick break during the debate and, on my phone, I saw a Drudge poll about who won. Naturally, I chose Trump. Well, I got a response that my vote was blocked because of "questionable voting practices". I thought, "Huh?? I've never voted in one of these things before!". So, I then voted for Hillary...and it accepted my vote!! I don't know...that was kind of odd, don't you think? In any case, it didn't matter that I got counted for Hillary...she had about 3% to Trump's 93%. According to that Drudge poll, he won.

Drudge? You gotta be kidding. They are extremely right wing, so why would they skew the poll for Hillary?
 
I'll be interested to see who the polls show as the winner. The pundits are all going for Hillary, but that doesn't really much in the grand scheme of things.

I think Trump actually did better than I expected. I won't deny that he allowed Hillary to lead him down a lot of bad rabbit holes, however.

Yeah, I am pretty sick of the media's spin on how things went. They grudgingly give some points to him while playing them down...yet keep emphasizing the birther and opposition to the Iraq war issue as if those are real issues on a par with the mistakes in the Iran deal (money and concessions for hostages and a nuclear limitation agreement Iran can effectively ignore at will), her part in the administrations Iraq action's creating ISIS, etc.

They just admitted on ABC News that the online polls are listing Trump as the victor "but let's see how that plays out in the coming days." Yeah, after the main stream media plays her up and puts him down...let's see how that works. :coffeepap:
 
while the accuracy of your claim is of dubious merit, It gets an A for amusing and funny

It's what I do;
I tell simple truths, and I sit back and revel in the accolades and compliments.

I'm an entertainer.
:shock:
 
Trump got suckered into spending too much time defending himself.
Now I can see what Hillary was practicing for weeks.

and I think that cuts against Hillary. Most of those paying attention know that she's been practicing and he hasn't and it really came off as pretty much a draw.

its sort of what happened with Kerry v Bush. Everyone assume someone as ambitious as Kerry would have been a far better student at yale than Party Boy Bush and a better debater. IN reality, their grades were almost the same but that Hurt Kerry and as debaters, they were pretty even, and that hurt Kerry too because it looked like he spent far more time trying to be better in those areas than Bush and he wasn't
 
Yeah, I am pretty sick of the media's spin on how things went. They grudgingly give some points to him while playing them down...yet keep emphasizing the birther and opposition to the Iraq war issue as if those are real issues on a par with the mistakes in the Iran deal (money and concessions for hostages and a nuclear limitation agreement Iran can effectively ignore at will), her part in the administrations Iraq action's creating ISIS, etc.

Neither candidate is going to lose ground. Both have their faithful supporters. Question is who picked up the most undecideds?
 
That's because he was worn out from bouncing around with his Adult ADD.

His energy really did seem to flag towards the end.
I would say Hillary won, but few minds are going to be changed.
Although the Donald's ADD may become an issue.
 
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