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Is there a war on boys?

Is there a war on boys?


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Like I told Gath, in many (though certainly not all) instances you look to the policies and procedures and then look to see how they impact various demographics.

Many of the things that were discussed by the video are related to the education systems' current balance between academics and socialization, classroom management, and discipline. Those changes then have consequences on groups differently. Further, social biases can then make those changes either even more beneficial or even more harmful than otherwise likely.

It is not that complicated. Once it was decided that girls were going to be advantaged with extra money and services, once it was decided that boys get too much encouragement and that the correction is to give them less, the outcome was set in stone.

That needs to change, if there is any gender harmed by bias in the schools by the people who run them it is the boys not the girls, and they are.

Our views on gender advantages in the schools are 20 years out of date.

We are willfully ignorant of the current reality.

That needs to change.

PRONTO.
 
Yes, our school system has a habit of trying to shove boys onto Ritalin. But have you noticed there's an awful lot of girls on psychiatric downers rather than uppers? Have you taken a look at the statistics on that lately? They're chilling. There's so many of them that the stats between boys and girls on some sort of psych drug wind up being nearly even.

Last I knew, "downer" was a street term for sedatives, opiates, and alcohol. I don't believe that is what you intend to say. Do you mean anxiolytics and antidepressants?
 
Last I knew, "downer" was a street term for sedatives, opiates, and alcohol. I don't believe that is what you intend to say. Do you mean anxiolytics and antidepressants?

I think SmokeAndMirrors is likely right:

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Yes, our school system has a habit of trying to shove boys onto Ritalin. But have you noticed there's an awful lot of girls on psychiatric downers rather than uppers? Have you taken a look at the statistics on that lately? They're chilling. There's so many of them that the stats between boys and girls on some sort of psych drug wind up being nearly even.

I am definitely not one of those teachers. I find it really sad how many kids are on drugs from a very young age -- and many times it's not needed. I have a girl in my class who was goofing off instead of paying attention with another teacher. I asked her why she was acting like that. She said, "Well, it's because I need these pills to help me behave." I said to her, "******, you know right from wrong. You don't need a pill to tell you that."
 
Part of me, the impulsive part, agrees and wants to harp on this parent.

However, the liberal in me demands I pause and think and reflect a bit more.

I don't like kids. I don't like how they're raised to behave, grabbing and breaking stuff in stores, treating the power carts for disabled people like go-carts with their parents encouraging them on and laughing while some disabled lady really needing it is having to wait for one to become available. I don't like the "gimme gimme gimme" greed and competitiveness drilled into the kids.

But of course I have to realize, it isn't their fault. Its not entirely the parents' fault either. I definitely don't believe in the conservative "a woman's place is in the home," but I do agree if employers are paying people so little that both parents have to work and often at least one of the parent has to work more than one job, that's a lot of time with no one to be a home to be a parent to the kids. The amount of hours parents have to work just to pay the bills keeps going up and up and up, as companies keep executive pay ten times ahead of inflation while worker pay one-third inflation, so their checks cover less and less year after year. Worker productivity ramps up endlessly, so labor cost per item goes down, but instead of turning that into savings for customers, businesses actually keep raising prices and pocketting the skyrocketing profit margins on items instead, just for their executives and stockholders.

At the same time, gas taxes have frozen in absolute dollars (which means losing value due to inflation) as the cost of road maintenance and construction have skyrocketted, and -- in terms of being fiscally capable of maintaining roads and expanding to match ever-growing traffic demands -- worse, improved fuel economy means those flat per-gallon fuel tax rates actually give less per-mile-travelled revenue to cover the increased per-mile-wear-and-tear maintenance and capacity expansion ... ultimately resulting in roads that are over-capacity and undermaintained, so if longer hours at actual work aren't bad enough, parents have to waste more time stuck in traffic going to and from work to boot.

Of course this factors in to the quality of parenting that parents can accomplish. Is it the only factor? No. Do I hold parents faultless? No. But we have societal factors that are an increasing problem, too. I think if we manage to rein in on despicable employer practices, letting parents pay the bills while not working too many hours, there'll be fewer instances of bad parenting (and again I won't say it'll fix everything).

Time is definitely a factor. But one thing is true: How many children a couple has is a matter of choice and totally within their control. How many children a single woman has is a matter of choice.

Having children isn't like going to the bathroom. Once you do it, it's done. Until you do it again. Having children comes with the responsibility to raise them. They also are expensive. So what comes with a child is increased responsibility to raise him, AND having much increased expense.

So parents, in a sense, have created the need to work more hours, in some instances, by choosing to have multiple kids. Working more, in turn, means you have less time to raise them.

The amount of money past a certain point doesn't matter. There are working couples who made high incomes and choose to have multiple kids...the work is unrelated to the choice to have kids, since they would both work, anyway. And they can afford the kids.

Besides, all adult citizens have the right to work, if they want to. If one wants to stay home w/the kids, that's a valid choice. As is working.

Also, if two people have kids, they BOTH have the responsibility, and the right, to raise them. Not just the mother.

Working is a fact of life. Always has been. Men work fewer hours these days than a century ago. They have more time now than ever to spend time with their kids. Studies show that boys w/o male role models struggle more in some ways to become the best they can be, than boys who have male role models regularly in their lives.

It's also important for dads to spend time with daughters. A girl's view of men is strongly influenced by her father, or the lack of one.
 
I'm dealing with this with my 5 year old son right now. He has trouble sitting still all day in class, and as a result, loses focus and gets on "bad" colors for the day.

He is probably bored and has done his work.
Tell the teacher to give him extra things to work on.
 
Hard to say - I was an only child, and I went to an all-boys boarding school, so I had no comparisons with the girls when I was in school.

But as a boy and as a young teenager, I was made aware that boys are regarded less favourably by the general public - and not just the "Damn kids, get off my lawn!" crowd. I recall being put off the bus at age 11, for 'causing a disturbance'. What actually happened was I was sitting by myself at the back of the bus when a group of older schoolgirls got on. There was plenty of room up front, but they insisted on coming and sitting all around me. Then they started saying really rude things about me, in the sexual sense, and laughing uproarously. Looking back on it, I don't think they meant any harm, but were just enjoying making a younger male feel uncomfortable. But I got angry and shouted at them to "Shut up". The driver stopped the bus and told me I had to catch the next one, even though an old lady told him that she had heard the girls, and it was not my fault.

And on many other occasions, whenever there was a disturbance, I, or any other boy present, automatically got the blame.

So whilst I would agree that 'A War on Boys' is hyperbolic, society certainly takes a different approach with girls.
 
Yes... although the cynic in me wonders if this is fudged a bit by curving the tests.

That was kind of my point. The people setting the standards are ultimately the ones evaluating "achievement" here. Given that higher achievement directly reflects on those same persons, and therefore translates into higher funding for their operations, they have a vested interest in grading themselves well on that metric. A lot of students are "pushed through" regardless of whether they meet the set standard or not for that exact reason. Frankly, a strong argument could be made that "the standard" isn't as high as it used to be anyway.

Take this High School entrance exam (meant to be given to rural farm kids) from 1912, for example. Most college exams tailored to supposedly "savvy" suburban Millennials aren't so difficult these days.

Most Adults Would Likely Fail This 1912 8th Grade Test

Don't even get me started on the kind of craziness that tends to take place in East Asian educational systems either!

The fact of the matter is that our educational system simply isn't as "elite" as it used to be. It's more about filling quotas, and "checking the boxes" necessary to secure funding from higher organizations, than it is actual meaningful education. It tends to cater more towards the "lowest common denominator" as such.

The poor outcomes we're seeing from students once they get out of school would seem to indicate that this allegedly "linear" path of achievement from previous decades you mention is more fluff than fact.

Do you want to take a wild guess who "the strapped ass" policy disproportionally affected?

And who says that was necessarily a bad thing? :shrug:

Corporal punishment actually teaches something. It puts the impetus on the person punished to change their behavior, and teaches them that there are consequences if they fail to do so.

Spank the kid's ass, write a note informing his parents - so he gets a double dose when he goes home that day - and send him back to class. He either gets the message, and changes his way of doing things, or you rinse and repeat the process as necessary until he does.

Medication, by way of contrast, robs personal responsibility from the equation entirely. The child is basically taught that there is something "wrong" with them which removes their culpability for their own behavior, and they become dependent upon external chemicals to alter that state of being. They never learn how to cope. They never learn how to control or discipline themselves.

Expelling children willy-nilly over the slightest offense, meanwhile, is beyond counter-productive. It not only impedes their schooling, but it creates a bureaucratic paper trail which basically marks the child as being a "bad egg" from then on forward. That affects both how they are treated by those in power over them, and how they respond to the environment.

Modern squeamishness is a hindrance, not a blessing.

It furthermore, it's not just affecting boys. It's affecting them in a particular way.

Granted.

Also, the "left teacher" rant is absolute nonsense. Males still have an achievement gap even in boys-only schools with male teachers, and in university where male teachers are more common than female.

Lol. If you say so.

It's not exactly a secret that the "Ecofarms," "Captain Courtesies," "Lursas," and etca of the world tend to be the ones holding the power behind both writing curriculum and setting administrative agendas in today's educational system (Hell! Even in a highly Conservative State like SC, educators tend to be FLAMINGLY Liberal, by and large). If you don't think that has an impact on the culture of education, and how certain subjects (gender differences among them) are approached by administrators and teachers alike, you're dreaming.

I'm not really sure what you're referring to with regard to college. Men still have an edge in the hard sciences, and more generally "serious" kinds of academics, as far as I'm aware. Women tend to dominate the "softer" fields, like Education, Communications, Liberal Arts, and etca.

They do so there for the same reasons they do in lower level schools. Those fields don't require actual smarts so much as they do the ability to charm people, and the willingness to do large quantities of boring busy work in an attentive and diligent manner. Women are naturally better than men where the former is concerned, and guys just don't care enough to try regarding the latter, by and large. :shrug:
 
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Expelling children willy-nilly over the slightest offense, meanwhile, is beyond counter-productive. It not only impedes their schooling, but it creates a bureaucratic paper trail which basically marks them as being a "bad egg" from then on forward. That affects both how they are treated by those in power over them, and how they respond to the environment.

It also gives them a chance to get into even more trouble ala Travon Martin.
 
Part of me, the impulsive part, agrees and wants to harp on this parent.

However, the liberal in me demands I pause and think and reflect a bit more.

I don't like kids. I don't like how they're raised to behave, grabbing and breaking stuff in stores, treating the power carts for disabled people like go-carts with their parents encouraging them on and laughing while some disabled lady really needing it is having to wait for one to become available. I don't like the "gimme gimme gimme" greed and competitiveness drilled into the kids.

But of course I have to realize, it isn't their fault. Its not entirely the parents' fault either. I definitely don't believe in the conservative "a woman's place is in the home," but I do agree if employers are paying people so little that both parents have to work and often at least one of the parent has to work more than one job, that's a lot of time with no one to be a home to be a parent to the kids. The amount of hours parents have to work just to pay the bills keeps going up and up and up, as companies keep executive pay ten times ahead of inflation while worker pay one-third inflation, so their checks cover less and less year after year. Worker productivity ramps up endlessly, so labor cost per item goes down, but instead of turning that into savings for customers, businesses actually keep raising prices and pocketting the skyrocketing profit margins on items instead, just for their executives and stockholders.

At the same time, gas taxes have frozen in absolute dollars (which means losing value due to inflation) as the cost of road maintenance and construction have skyrocketted, and -- in terms of being fiscally capable of maintaining roads and expanding to match ever-growing traffic demands -- worse, improved fuel economy means those flat per-gallon fuel tax rates actually give less per-mile-travelled revenue to cover the increased per-mile-wear-and-tear maintenance and capacity expansion ... ultimately resulting in roads that are over-capacity and undermaintained, so if longer hours at actual work aren't bad enough, parents have to waste more time stuck in traffic going to and from work to boot.

Of course this factors in to the quality of parenting that parents can accomplish. Is it the only factor? No. Do I hold parents faultless? No. But we have societal factors that are an increasing problem, too. I think if we manage to rein in on despicable employer practices, letting parents pay the bills while not working too many hours, there'll be fewer instances of bad parenting (and again I won't say it'll fix everything).

You said women make .80 cents to a man's $1.00.

Prove that a female teacher, with the same experience on the salary scale, makes less than a male teacher.
 
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