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Do you actually believe YOUR vote for POTUS matters?

Do you actually believe YOUR vote for POTUS matters?

  • Damn right it does.

    Votes: 19 46.3%

  • Nope. Not at all.

    Votes: 11 26.8%

  • Only if the race is REALLY REALLY close.

    Votes: 4 9.8%

  • Oh HELL no.

    Votes: 3 7.3%

  • only if the vote is for a third party - to send a message

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • I'm not voting - so of course it doesn't matter

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • other - please explain

    Votes: 6 14.6%
  • Total voters
    41
Ikari said:
This could have been said of any election cycle. The Republocrats are quite powerful and well funded indeed. But what HAS happened? Not much. Faithless electors haven't swung an election (barring the death of a candidate before the EC was cast) since 1836.

So again, the majority of states have laws to hold the elector to the popular vote (a bad decision IMO) and faithless electors haven't had a large impact, certainly not in the modern era.
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Well, there's the Bush/Gore election.

Plus, it's fair to say this election is a little different in that Trump isn't a career politician and Clinton has some serious legal/ethical questions following her around like a sick dog. Retching every now and then, but still hasn't quite puked up what may be lurking inside.
 
Dragonfly said:
Well, there's the Bush/Gore election.
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That wasn't the result of faithless electors, that was a court decision.

Dragonfly said:
Plus, it's fair to say this election is a little different in that Trump isn't a career politician and Clinton has some serious legal/ethical questions following her around like a sick dog. Retching every now and then, but still hasn't quite puked up what may be lurking inside.
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it is, only in that they found candidates worse than Obama and Romney. Next election cycle, they'll find someone worse than Clinton or Trump...seems to be the trend. But there is no trend in the uptick in faithless electors and we have no recent history of faithless electors swinging an election. That trend is highly likely to continue. Mark my words, this election will not be decided upon faithless electors.
 
Dragonfly said:
Who actually elects the POTUS?

Private citizens? (popular vote)
Electoral College?
Combination of the two?

Something else?

Do you honestly and truly believe YOUR vote (for POTUS) matters?

Do you believe if you don't vote for POTUS the outcome will be different?

Do you believe your vote changes anything?
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Every vote matters. It certainly matters to me. My forefathers fought the British to secure my right to vote.

I vote because I am a U.S. Citizen legally allowed to. Billions of people around the world don't have the freedom to do that.


Does it change anything? It changes me, and that is the profound principle in the foundation of the United States of America.
 
ocean515 said:
Every vote matters. It certainly matters to me. My forefathers fought the British to secure my right to vote.

I vote because I am a U.S. Citizen legally allowed to. Billions of people around the world don't have the freedom to do that.


Does it change anything? It changes me, and that is the profound principle in the foundation of the United States of America.
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You live in California. Correct?
So your vote matters?
Electoral College votes from California are all going to Clinton.
Are you voting for Clinton?
 
I think this year our vote counts more than most years in the past. Most years we have had a choice between 2 bought and paid for party puppets or vote for someone who cannot win. Trump should have ran as an independent. Clearly the republican party wanted nothing to do with him. But he has proven that someone other than the puppets of the rich and powerful can make it. Hillary is clearly the democrats party puppet. I personally would like to see a surprise turn out for a 3rd party making it a close race and as long as Hillary loses I will be happy.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I think this year our vote counts more than most years in the past.
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Says almost everybody every single stinking election cycle.

"This election is/will be THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER."

Until 4 years from now....
 
Dragonfly said:
Says almost everybody every single stinking election cycle.

"This election is/will be THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER."

Until 4 years from now....
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I haven't thought so for quite a while.

After I looked up who donated to which parties it was quickly apparent the richest of the rich donated to both parties. There is only one reason to donate to both parties and fund both candidates. The person we elect is there guy. We are stupid enough to think that the person elected is going to forget who paid for their campaign and made it possible to be elected and will do what we want. We actually believe these rich people are putting out millions of dollars so the person elected does what we want not what they want. Time to wake up because your dreaming.

Even big corporation do it. Unions donate to one party the CEO and board of directors donate to the other party roughly the same amount. Whoever is elected is their guy. If a democrat is elected then union expects favorable contract for their company. If the republican gets elected then the board and CEO expect favorable contracts for their company. The only loser is We the People. We didn't fund the candidate or the party and they could care less who we vote for. Their guy wins either way and does their bidding.
 
Dragonfly said:
You live in California. Correct?
So your vote matters?
Electoral College votes from California are all going to Clinton.
Are you voting for Clinton?
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LOL

Of course my vote matters. I gave you the reasons. If you don't think your vote counts, by all means, please don't vote.

I look at it this way. With Democrats turning California into a cesspool of unsustainable liberal/socialist progressive programs and agendas, at least there will be some evidence of voters who won't drink the kool-aid.

I would never vote for Clinton.
 
Only read the first post. Voted "other." I expect this has been noted already, but I'd say yer vote only really matters if it's close in yer state. That can be … overstated … because if enough people don't vote, and they break a lot more one way than another, then that can decide the result.

And every vote can influence future elections, so that's reason enough to vote, imo.
 
When I lived in California my vote was meaningless... too many liberals. The Electoral College system sucks and it needs to change.
 
Dragonfly said:
Do you honestly and truly believe YOUR vote (for POTUS) matters?
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Yes. My participation in the democratic process doesn't need to literally determine the result in order to matter. Thinking otherwise is to embrace a very narrow and myopic view about what's important--what matters--about participation in our civic life and institutions.

I've voted for winners and losers, and I've voted in swing states and safe states. Every one of those votes mattered.
 
Humanity as a mass ..like algae on water ..all connected ..thus, my vote counts .. But, we must be interested in politics ..discuss things ..politely .. Here , most internet forums seem to be a waste ..Yet, I post anyway ..
 
I don't believe anything... I know for a fact that our votes do not matter.
 
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