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MW: Standardized or localized?

MW: Standardized or localized?

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radcen

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MW: Standardized or localized?

The questions regards minimum wage (MW). Should it be standardized (i.e. uniform throughout the state), or localized (i.e. cities/counties setting their own)?

A couple counties here locally have passed their own MW increases, phased in over the next few years. Cities within these counties have the ability to opt out, and some have. Some others have gone part way, but not fully. The end result is that there will be a patchwork of MWs in the local area.

Is that a good idea, or a bad idea?

Please do not get into whether MW is good or right or appropriate. It is a fact of life and it exists and this thread addresses one aspect of that. There are plenty of other threads addressing those other aspects.
 
radcen said:
MW: Standardized or localized?

The questions regards minimum wage (MW). Should it be standardized (i.e. uniform throughout the state), or localized (i.e. cities/counties setting their own)?

A couple counties here locally have passed their own MW increases, phased in over the next few years. Cities within these counties have the ability to opt out, and some have. Some others have gone part way, but not fully. The end result is that there will be a patchwork of MWs in the local area.

Is that a good idea, or a bad idea?

Please do not get into whether MW is good or right or appropriate. It is a fact of life and it exists and this thread addresses one aspect of that. There are plenty of other threads addressing those other aspects.
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IF you are going to have one (and I don't think you should), then far better you allow for flexibility, so that a one-size-fits-not-quite-anyone solution isn't allowed to do additional damage.
 
cpwill said:
IF you are going to have one (and I don't think you should), then far better you allow for flexibility, so that a one-size-fits-not-quite-anyone solution isn't allowed to do additional damage.
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On many other issues I would agree, but on this one I feel the patchwork aspect will cause a lot of problems in the long run. Especially when you have several cities in close proximity all different.
 
radcen said:
On many other issues I would agree, but on this one I feel the patchwork aspect will cause a lot of problems in the long run. Especially when you have several cities in close proximity all different.
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:shrug: I would say that's exactly what you want. Let competition create the best policy balance.
 
Localized

Im pretty sure that a minimum wage standard is not an enumerated power granted in the constitution. Ya Im old fashion like that.
 
The way it is now. A national low-bar, with the flexibility for states and local governments to go beyond that mark, and the markets to react faster than government to raise the bar even higher.
 
radcen said:
On many other issues I would agree, but on this one I feel the patchwork aspect will cause a lot of problems in the long run. Especially when you have several cities in close proximity all different.
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They don't have to be. If there are problems between those cities in close proximity, those cities in close proximity can address them.

So between New York City and Harlingen, TX, what's the minimum wage that should apply to both?
 
Needs an third option: Hybridized according to cost of living with a $12 floor.

I'm okay with rural Mississippi having a $12 or maybe even an $11 minimum wage, but San Francisco should be at least $20.
 
For those who clearly missed it...
radcen said:
MW: Standardized or localized?

The questions regards minimum wage (MW). Should it be standardized (i.e. uniform throughout the state), or localized (i.e. cities/counties setting their own)?

A couple counties here locally have passed their own MW increases, phased in over the next few years. Cities within these counties have the ability to opt out, and some have. Some others have gone part way, but not fully. The end result is that there will be a patchwork of MWs in the local area.

Is that a good idea, or a bad idea?

Please do not get into whether MW is good or right or appropriate. It is a fact of life and it exists and this thread addresses one aspect of that. There are plenty of other threads addressing those other aspects.
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The State. Not the entire country.

You're welcome.
 
radcen said:
MW: Standardized or localized?

The questions regards minimum wage (MW). Should it be standardized (i.e. uniform throughout the state), or localized (i.e. cities/counties setting their own)?

A couple counties here locally have passed their own MW increases, phased in over the next few years. Cities within these counties have the ability to opt out, and some have. Some others have gone part way, but not fully. The end result is that there will be a patchwork of MWs in the local area.

Is that a good idea, or a bad idea?

Please do not get into whether MW is good or right or appropriate. It is a fact of life and it exists and this thread addresses one aspect of that. There are plenty of other threads addressing those other aspects.
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I think localized is a better solution.The cost of living isn't the same everywhere.
 
radcen said:
MW: Standardized or localized?
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Both.

There should be a federal minimum, which basically ensures that people who live in areas with lower costs of living still get a minimum wage we can accept.

From there, areas with higher costs of living ought to offer higher minimum wages.

Both national and local minimum wages really ought to be indexed with inflation.
 
radcen said:
MW: Standardized or localized?

The questions regards minimum wage (MW). Should it be standardized (i.e. uniform throughout the state), or localized (i.e. cities/counties setting their own)?

A couple counties here locally have passed their own MW increases, phased in over the next few years. Cities within these counties have the ability to opt out, and some have. Some others have gone part way, but not fully. The end result is that there will be a patchwork of MWs in the local area.

Is that a good idea, or a bad idea?

Please do not get into whether MW is good or right or appropriate. It is a fact of life and it exists and this thread addresses one aspect of that. There are plenty of other threads addressing those other aspects.
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Having no standard minimum wage would mean that Americans, on the whole, are not provided any protections from the damages of job search frictions and the survival motive in the highly competitive low skilled labor market.

Having no localized minimum wage would reduce flexibility for no discernible gain.

So i like having both, presuming we are going to do it.
 
Phys251 said:
Needs an third option: Hybridized according to cost of living with a $12 floor.

I'm okay with rural Mississippi having a $12 or maybe even an $11 minimum wage, but San Francisco should be at least $20.
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so if a burger flipper makes $ 20 an hour in SF, what are you going to pay an accounts payable clerk? $ 30 hour?

and if the AP clerk is making $ 30, then how much should the payroll manager make?

and so on, and so on, and so on

When you set such an inflated bottom, dont you realize that every job above that level needs to make more than that?

To where businesses cant afford to be in business....

People will only pay so much for a service or a product....period

Sorry, but that is why the market works the way it does....

Skills pay the bills....not a government mandated ridiculous MW
 
gdgyva said:
so if a burger flipper makes $ 20 an hour in SF, what are you going to pay an accounts payable clerk? $ 30 hour?

and if the AP clerk is making $ 30, then how much should the payroll manager make?

and so on, and so on, and so on

When you set such an inflated bottom, dont you realize that every job above that level needs to make more than that?

To where businesses cant afford to be in business....

People will only pay so much for a service or a product....period

Sorry, but that is why the market works the way it does....

Skills pay the bills....not a government mandated ridiculous MW
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You are not paying attention to a living wage. Why? Do you really think you can survive on $40,000 a year in San Fran?
 
Localized with a price level. Although minimum wage does not help those who can not get a job.
 
Phys251 said:
You are not paying attention to a living wage. Why? Do you really think you can survive on $40,000 a year in San Fran?
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Absolutely not. But USA is not Canada or Scandinavia where they care about people.
 
Phys251 said:
Needs an third option: Hybridized according to cost of living with a $12 floor.

I'm okay with rural Mississippi having a $12 or maybe even an $11 minimum wage, but San Francisco should be at least $20.
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I agree 100% -- but there should be guaranteed place to work.
 
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