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are you offended by tobacco smoke

offended by tobacco smoke

  • I hate cigarette smoke

    Votes: 19 28.8%

  • I hate cigar smoke

    Votes: 8 12.1%

  • I hate pipe smoke

    Votes: 9 13.6%

  • I love cigarette smoke

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • I love pipe tobacco smoke

    Votes: 7 10.6%

  • I love cigar smoke

    Votes: 4 6.1%

  • I hate all three

    Votes: 18 27.3%

  • I love all three

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Can't we all just get along

    Votes: 21 31.8%

  • other

    Votes: 15 22.7%
  • Total voters
    66
Dragonfly said:
So....you feel the same way about cocaine, heroin, meth, opium, same-sex marriage, public nudity, pornography, public displays of affection even when it's same-sex couples, group marriage,...
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Of course, with the one exception being the only one you listed that imposes on someone else. Now that I answered your question, Dragonfly, how do you feel about banning Happy Meals, smoking outdoors, Big Gulp drinks, speech that offends someone, honest elections, and restrooms restricted by sex.
 
Patrickt said:
It takes two to make peace but only one to make war.
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That is a great bumper sticker type theory (which is also true of my statement from the voting options,) but in practice we may have problems calling that a rule (s.)
 
I think it stinks, so my nostrils are offended by the stench but worse, my lungs are offended by it too. I am a COPD sufferer, asthma if you want to be precise and smoking makes me very unwell and gives me a feeling of having less air/oxygen in my lungs.

And then there is the stench on clothes. Don't get me wrong when I was still addicted to gambling I used to smoke too but when you stop smoking, you experience how fresh and pleasing the air is around you. Your clothes smell fresher, your house smells fresher, the stench that permeates every surface of soft furnishings will in time disappear.

I am a great supporter of people having the right to smoke outside in public (except in buildings open to the public) and everybody has the right to smoke in their own home/car (if at least there are no rules banning that like in rented cars or in smoke free lodgings). I sometimes even visited people who still smoked but as soon as you leave their house you can smell the smoke on your own clothes and hair.

I love the fact that smoking is no longer allowed in bars/restaurants/etc. and every workplace is now smoke free, it makes it a healthier work environment for people like me and to me that is a good thing.
 
OrphanSlug said:
That is a great bumper sticker type theory (which is also true of my statement from the voting options,) but in practice we may have problems calling that a rule (s.)
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I wasn't making a rule, just an observation. There will be no peace in the Middle East as long as one side insists on war. There will be no peace in the battle against tobacco as long as cigarettes, or even pretend cigarette, exist. When one side will not compromise, will not settle, then the war simply continues.
 
I can't stand tobacco smoke.I stopped smoking about 30 years ago because of allergy problems. My maternal grandfather died of lung cancer and smoked until he died.

I don't let anyone smoke in my house. If they want to smoke they can do it in my covered patio.
 
Patrickt said:
Of course, with the one exception being the only one you listed that imposes on someone else. Now that I answered your question, Dragonfly, how do you feel about banning Happy Meals, smoking outdoors, Big Gulp drinks, speech that offends someone, honest elections, and restrooms restricted by sex.
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#1) smoking outdoors is fine
#2) drink as much soda as you can afford
#3) Support First Amendment - but there are always consequences for some things said
#4) I have no idea what you mean about "honest elections" :roll:
#5) I don't have any issues with public restrooms


Happy Meals is something I have mixed feelings about. No child should be subjected to a regular diet* of fast food and then rewarded for eating that with a toy.
As a special treat once every blue moon, I don't have a problem with it.

*regular diet is a key phrase here. As in daily. Multiple times a week. In conjunction with nothing else of nutritional value for vast majority of meals.

In the end, Happy Meals and nutritional intake are a responsibility of the parent or parents. Marketing something unhealthy to kids isn't a win-win for anyone other than some corporate fat-cats. Should they be "banned"? I wouldn't cry if they were, but I also know that if they were it probably wouldn't change how some parents raise and feed their kids.

As I said - mixed feelings.
 
Patrickt said:
Of course, with the one exception being the only one you listed that imposes on someone else. Now that I answered your question, Dragonfly, how do you feel about banning Happy Meals, smoking outdoors, Big Gulp drinks,
speech that offends someone,
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 honest elections, and restrooms restricted by sex.
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"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers

If I don't like what someone is saying I don't listen to them.
 
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beerftw said:
Are you offended by tobacco smoke. I myself am a smoker, But I hate the smell of most cigars except backwoods cigars, tolerate cigarette smoke except pall malls and kools which make me want to vomnit, and love the smell of pipe tobacco like captain black and prince albert.

I have cut back to one pack a day during the workweek and 3-6 cigarettes on the weekend while instead pipe smoking, I have grown to the point I tolerate cigarette smoke but do not like it, but absolutely hate pall mals. My coworker chain smokes them, and blows the smoke into my bay like he thinks everyone loves it. I used to smoke pall malls but I could not smell em while smoking them.


Now that I know what they smell like, I wish I had a time machine to travel back and apologize to everyone for making them smell awefull pall mall smoke.
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I don't know if "offended" is the proper word. I hate the smell of all of those, but I generally am not going to get in people's face about it less they are being obnoxious.
 
As a chef,I rely on my sense of smell as much as I rely on my sense of taste.
While smoking does not offend me,I prefer it not be in my presence.
 
shrubnose said:
"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers

If I don't like what someone is saying I don't listen to them.
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I'm not sure what that means. When they say, "You're under arrest for smoking within twenty-five feet of a window that doesn't open," it's hard not to listen. When they say, "This business that you thought was yours is closed because you allowed people to smoke in here," it's hard not to listen.
 
Patrickt said:
I'm not sure what that means.
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 When they say, "You're under arrest for smoking within twenty-five feet of a window that doesn't open," it's hard not to listen. When they say, "This business that you thought was yours is closed because you allowed people to smoke in here," it's hard not to listen.
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That's your problem,deal with it.
 
Patrickt said:
When they say, "You're under arrest for smoking within twenty-five feet of a window that doesn't open,"
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Has anything like that ever actually happened? Ever? Anywhere in the USofA???

Patrickt said:
When they say, "This business that you thought was yours is closed because you allowed people to smoke in here,"
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Again, any link to support that something like this has ever happened?
 
I like to have about a box of cigars a year, if that, but I smoke them on my deck. The smoke smells nasty to others, and indeed smells pretty bad to me when I'm not the one with the cigar, but the smell/taste is quite a bit different when one is smoking it.

Cigarette smoke smells more foul.
 
I didn't realize there were so many stupid people on this board that have smoked in the past or are doing it now.

With everything we know about smoking and cancer you have to be the stupidest person on the planet to start in the first place.

A question for the current smokers.

Have you ever watched somebody die of cancer?
 
Mason66 said:
I didn't realize there were so many stupid people on this board that have smoked in the past or are doing it now. With everything we know about smoking and cancer you have to be the stupidest person on the planet to start in the first place. A question for the current smokers. Have you ever watched somebody die of cancer?
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Yes - however there are certain clarifications that need to be made when it comes to the scare mongering about smoking and cancer:

1. Cigarettes are in the same class of carcinogens as wood shavings, air pollution, and acetaminophen. You may recognize the last one as the active ingredient in common drugs such as Tylenol, NyQuil, Robitussin, Benadryl, Sudafed, Midol, Alka-Selzter, etc. There are millions of people taking these drugs every day and they carry the same carcinogenic risk as cigarettes - which leads to the next point. What exactly is the risk?

2. The established scientific relationship between smoking and cancer is correlative not causative. Cancer is not an inevitable consequence of smoking - in fact the vast majority of smokers do not develop a correlative cancer. Some people can smoke 5 packs per day for 40 years and never develop a single malignant cell. Other people can smoke 1 pack per week and develop stage IV lung cancer within 2 years. The difference seems to boil down to genetics according to the latest research.

To be clear - I am not extolling the virtues of smoking. There certainly are a plethora of health issues that are caused by smoking and are reason enough to quit (though I don't think you have an appreciation for how difficult that is). It just needs to be made clear that cancer is not as significant a risk as it is commonly perceived to be and the real reason for the emphasis on cancer is that people have a much greater fear of "the big C" than of nasal congestion.
 
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Napoleon said:
Yes - however there are certain clarifications that need to be made when it comes to the scare mongering about smoking and cancer:

1. Cigarettes are in the same class of carcinogens as wood shavings, air pollution, and acetaminophen. You may recognize the last one as the active ingredient in common drugs such as Tylenol, NyQuil, Robitussin, Benadryl, Sudafed, Midol, Alka-Selzter, etc. There are millions of people taking these drugs every day and they carry the same carcinogenic risk as cigarettes - which leads to the next point. What exactly is the risk?

2. The established scientific relationship between smoking and cancer is correlative not causative. Cancer is not an inevitable consequence of smoking - in fact the vast majority of smokers do not develop a correlative cancer. Some people can smoke 5 packs per day for 40 years and never develop a single malignant cell. Other people can smoke 1 pack per week and develop stage IV lung cancer within 2 years. The difference seems to boil down to genetics according to the latest research.

To be clear - I am not extolling the virtues of smoking. There certainly are a plethora of health issues that are caused by smoking and are reason enough to quit (though I don't think you have an appreciation for how difficult that is). It just needs to be made clear that cancer is not as significant a risk as it is commonly perceived to be and the real reason for the emphasis on cancer is that people have a much greater fear of "the big C" than of nasal congestion.
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What percentage of the population do you think can fill their lungs with smoke for 40 years with no ill effects?

.5% or maybe 1%?
 
Mason66 said:
I didn't realize there were so many stupid people on this board that have smoked in the past or are doing it now.

With everything we know about smoking and cancer you have to be the stupidest person on the planet to start in the first place.

A question for the current smokers.

Have you ever watched somebody die of cancer?
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I started smoking cigarettes to cover up the smell of weed.

Probably would never have started if other "stupid" people didn't have such ridiculous prejudice against weed.
 
Absentglare said:
I started smoking cigarettes to cover up the smell of weed.

Probably would never have started if other "stupid" people didn't have such ridiculous prejudice against weed.
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Bull**** is all I can say to that.

I guess that makes you doubly stupid.
 
beerftw said:
I have cut back to one pack a day during the workweek
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This is what I don't understand about many smokers. You cut back to a pack a day? Even at the height of my smoking days, I'd feel argh if I smoked more than 7 cigarettes a day. I encountered smokers that smoked so much that they'd need to smoke 24 hours for the math to be sensible.
 
Mason66 said:
Bull**** is all I can say to that.

I guess that makes you doubly stupid.
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I have to say, it's such a hilarious delegation of responsibility.
 
Gaztopian said:
I have to say, it's such a hilarious delegation of responsibility.
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I had actually used LSD almost a year earlier- perhaps you'd like to judge me over your ignorance on that as well ?
 
Napoleon said:
Yes - however there are certain clarifications that need to be made when it comes to the scare mongering about smoking and cancer:

1. Cigarettes are in the same class of carcinogens as wood shavings, air pollution, and acetaminophen. You may recognize the last one as the active ingredient in common drugs such as Tylenol, NyQuil, Robitussin, Benadryl, Sudafed, Midol, Alka-Selzter, etc. There are millions of people taking these drugs every day and they carry the same carcinogenic risk as cigarettes - which leads to the next point. What exactly is the risk?

2. The established scientific relationship between smoking and cancer is correlative not causative. Cancer is not an inevitable consequence of smoking - in fact the vast majority of smokers do not develop a correlative cancer. Some people can smoke 5 packs per day for 40 years and never develop a single malignant cell. Other people can smoke 1 pack per week and develop stage IV lung cancer within 2 years. The difference seems to boil down to genetics according to the latest research.

To be clear - I am not extolling the virtues of smoking. There certainly are a plethora of health issues that are caused by smoking and are reason enough to quit (though I don't think you have an appreciation for how difficult that is). It just needs to be made clear that cancer is not as significant a risk as it is commonly perceived to be and the real reason for the emphasis on cancer is that people have a much greater fear of "the big C" than of nasal congestion.
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Please provide some evidence for this assertion.


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Mason66 said:
Bull**** is all I can say to that.

I guess that makes you doubly stupid.
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Not at all. Most parents, police, and even schools were OK with tobacco but would not accept weed. A lot of teenage friends I knew started smoking to cover up the fact they enjoyed weed. I know I did. Back then nobody was worried about the ill effects of cigarette smoke. I worked with lead, mercury, and asbestos as a teenager in the plumbing business.
 
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