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Do lifers lives matter?

Do lifers have a right to humane treatment?

  • No -- I support Capital Punishment.

    Votes: 7 41.2%

  • No -- I support US Penal System.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes -- Canada and Scandinavia have the best System.

    Votes: 10 58.8%
  • Total voters
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According to Table C14, 23% of Canada's prison (not jail) inmates are lifers. That is 3,011 people. Of them 95.7% are guilty of murder.

It costs $151K per maximum security inmate per year for upkeep according to Table B3, even though most of this money returns as correctional officers salary.

Most inmates are kept in humane conditions. Other countries have much worse conditions -- in Iran most of those guilty of murder are executed, in US South they are kept in cells which can heat up to 120 Farenheit in summers. Most US prisons have no conditioning.
 
All lives matter, you strike me as one of those people who try to paint it like Black Lives Matter is against 'all other lives', when it is not.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
All lives matter, you strike me as one of those people who try to paint it like Black Lives Matter is against 'all other lives', when it is not.
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Definitely African Americans are subject to disproportional use of force by US Law Enforcement.
 
SCitizen said:
According to Table C14, 23% of Canada's prison (not jail) inmates are lifers. That is 3,011 people. Of them 95.7% are guilty of murder.

It costs $151K per maximum security inmate per year for upkeep according to Table B3, even though most of this money returns as correctional officers salary.

Most inmates are kept in humane conditions. Other countries have much worse conditions -- in Iran most of those guilty of murder are executed, in US South they are kept in cells which can heat up to 120 Farenheit in summers. Most US prisons have no conditioning.
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#AllLivesMatter
 
Oh, prison lifers? Hell no! Fry those ****ers.
 
SCitizen said:
Definitely African Americans are subject to disproportional use of force by US Law Enforcement.
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That's because they commit a disproportionate amount of the crimes.
 
kamikaze483 said:
That's because they commit a disproportionate amount of the crimes.
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Everyone who lives in poverty and/or has other problems is much more likely to break the law. In many ways, most prisoners have been failed by Society.

In Canada the crime rate is lower even though the Justice System is humane.
 
SCitizen said:
Everyone who lives in poverty and/or has other problems is much more likely to break the law. In many ways, most prisoners have been failed by Society.

In Canada the crime rate is lower even though the Justice System is humane.
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That may be true for Canada. And I support a humane CJ system. However, in our country, we have a lot of nuts who would take the word "humane" to a whole new level. It is senseless to attempt to justify the behavior of criminals. Whether they have been failed by the system or not. Many people don't take advantages that are offered to them by the "system" which is why they remain in poverty.
 
kamikaze483 said:
That may be true for Canada. And I support a humane CJ system. However, in our country, we have a lot of nuts who would take the word "humane" to a whole new level. It is senseless to attempt to justify the behavior of criminals. Whether they have been failed by the system or not. Many people don't take advantages that are offered to them by the "system" which is why they remain in poverty.
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I do not know. Most of US prisoners have mental disorders.

Most of people guilty of drugs and economic crimes had no other way to live.
 
SCitizen said:
Definitely African Americans are subject to disproportional use of force by US Law Enforcement.
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My apologies and mistake, after re-reading your OP I was clearly in the wrong and my initial post was uncalled for.
 
SCitizen said:
According to Table C14, 23% of Canada's prison (not jail) inmates are lifers. That is 3,011 people. Of them 95.7% are guilty of murder.

It costs $151K per maximum security inmate per year for upkeep according to Table B3, even though most of this money returns as correctional officers salary.

Most inmates are kept in humane conditions. Other countries have much worse conditions -- in Iran most of those guilty of murder are executed, in US South they are kept in cells which can heat up to 120 Farenheit in summers. Most US prisons have no conditioning.
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I'm not familiar enough with Canada or Scandinavia to know how to comment on it. I don't believe people should be abused.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
My apologies and mistake, after re-reading your OP I was clearly in the wrong and my initial post was uncalled for.
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It is OK 100%. Thank you for seeing my point.
 
Fishking said:
I'm not familiar enough with Canada or Scandinavia to know how to comment on it. I don't believe people should be abused.
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Unfortunately many people in USA believe that offenders should have no rights.
 
SCitizen said:
Unfortunately many people in USA believe that offenders should have no rights.
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Yeah...I'm one of those weird conservatives that's against the death penalty. However, I firmly support the rights of people to self defense. Ultimately, I didn't grow up wearing other people's shoes and am not so arrogant to think that if I had not grown up under different circumstances that I couldn't be one of those people sitting in jail.
 
Bad poll options. Not voting.
 
Fishking said:
Yeah...I'm one of those weird conservatives that's against the death penalty. However, I firmly support the rights of people to self defense. Ultimately, I didn't grow up wearing other people's shoes and am not so arrogant to think that if I had not grown up under different circumstances that I couldn't be one of those people sitting in jail.
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Definitely, no one of us knows how they would have turned out under different circumstances. I am disabled and can not earn money, but thank G-d my parents support me.
 
SCitizen said:
What would you have chosen?
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There's a difference between humane treatment and letting people live luxurious lifestyles in prison.

Yes, people deserve to be treated humanely. No, they shouldn't be living it up in prison.

This is what Norway offers its prisoners. It's basically rewarding people for getting locked up - they have a better life in prison than they would if they were poor.

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Gaea said:
There's a difference between humane treatment and letting people live luxurious lifestyles in prison.

Yes, people deserve to be treated humanely. No, they shouldn't be living it up in prison.

This is what Norway offers its prisoners. It's basically rewarding people for getting locked up - they have a better life in prison than they would if they were poor.

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you make an excellent point. the problem with prison is that the people most likely to engage in illegal activities-especially the sort of violent crime that gets you hard time in hard prisons, are people who come from such crappy circumstances that prison isn't all that bad of an environment.
 
SCitizen said:
I agree. I believe most of these people have been failed by Society.
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the biggest failure is by the people who bring them into this world.
 
Gaea said:
This is what Norway offers its prisoners. It's basically rewarding people for getting locked up - they have a better life in prison than they would if they were poor.
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If they were poor, they would have a comfortable life. If they were poor in USA, that would be very bad.
 
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