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Do lifers lives matter?

Do lifers have a right to humane treatment?

  • No -- I support Capital Punishment.

    Votes: 7 41.2%

  • No -- I support US Penal System.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes -- Canada and Scandinavia have the best System.

    Votes: 10 58.8%
  • Total voters
    17
TurtleDude said:
you make an excellent point. the problem with prison is that the people most likely to engage in illegal activities-especially the sort of violent crime that gets you hard time in hard prisons, are people who come from such crappy circumstances that prison isn't all that bad of an environment.
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Fortunately Scandinavia and Canada help people who are unable to work. They have also a very strong child protection system.
 
SCitizen said:
Fortunately Scandinavia and Canada help people who are unable to work. They have also a very strong child protection system.
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Here in the USA-too many irresponsible people breed and too many others enable that nonsense
 
TurtleDude said:
the biggest failure is by the people who bring them into this world.
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That is really, really unfair. And don't kid a kidder, TD; you too know great families with a child who epitomizes Merle Haggard's song:

 
nota bene said:
That is really, really unfair. And don't kid a kidder, TD; you too know great families with a child who epitomizes Merle Haggard's song:

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I like the Grateful Dead version much better myself. But the fact is-I am noting the odds and the statistics. The biggest cause of someone to become a criminal is his upbringing. Now I know a guy I went to school with who had all the breaks but he kidnapped the child of a wealthy classmate and when he got out of the big house for that, he tried to rob a bank and then died of an OD in prison. he was mentally ill. and so are some other rich kids with great families who go wrong and some are just plain assholes. But most of the criminals I dealt with for 30 years came from households with no father, often a mother who had chemical addiction issues etc
 
There are always real people behind the stats.
 
apdst said:
Oh, prison lifers? Hell no! Fry those ****ers.
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I don't think LWOP should even exist. If you're never getting out, kill 'em and free up the space.
 
SCitizen said:
Everyone who lives in poverty and/or has other problems is much more likely to break the law. In many ways, most prisoners have been failed by Society.

In Canada the crime rate is lower even though the Justice System is humane.
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They haven't been failed by society, they have failed society. They get what they deserve.
 
SCitizen said:
Unfortunately many people in USA believe that offenders should have no rights.
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They absolutely have rights, but when they commit and are convicted of crimes, they lose some of those rights. The more serious the crime, the more rights they lose. Welcome to reality.
 
Cephus said:
I don't think LWOP should even exist. If you're never getting out, kill 'em and free up the space.
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I disagree 100%. Sadly most Americans would agree with your position.
 
Cephus said:
They absolutely have rights, but when they commit and are convicted of crimes, they lose some of those rights. The more serious the crime, the more rights they lose. Welcome to reality.
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In Canada and Scandinavia, some rights are inalienable.
 
Cephus said:
Then move there.
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They have a strict limit on who they will accept. Otherwise, all poor people from all over the world would move to Canada and Scandinavia.
 
SCitizen said:
They have a strict limit on who they will accept. Otherwise, all poor people from all over the world would move to Canada and Scandinavia.
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Sure, because they know that they can't actually afford to pay for people who won't work. You're saying that you're one of those people who they don't want?
 
Cephus said:
You're saying that you're one of those people who they don't want?
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I do have a disability -- Moderate Autism plus Moderate Depression. Thank G-d my parents do help me.
 
SCitizen said:
I do have a disability -- Moderate Autism plus Moderate Depression. Thank G-d my parents do help me.
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Yup, one of the people they don't want because you'd want them to give you things.
 
All lives matter.

I must objectively say that the value that we might assign to each of our lives matters in a direct correlation to the care we take in contributing to society.

In other words, I am a good, law-abiding, tax-paying citizen.
I clean up the roadsides, and I care for a local wetland.
I help to feed and clothe the homeless.
The work I do benefits others in a positive way.

My life matters as much as the life of the violent drug-dealer stumbling down the street, just as it matters as much as the life of the local neurosurgeon who regularly saves peoples lives with his skilled hands.

But the value of my life pales in comparison to that neurosurgeon, and it towers above that of the stumbling, violent drug-dealer.

Does that make sense?
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Sparky2 said:
My life matters as much as the life of the violent drug-dealer stumbling down the street, just as it matters as much as the life of the local neurosurgeon who regularly saves peoples lives with his skilled hands.

But the value of my life pales in comparison to that neurosurgeon, and it towers above that of the stumbling, violent drug-dealer.
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Perhaps you are right to a degree.

Sometimes there are extraordinary people who are evil geniuses.

Karl Marx was such a person. He died on March 14, 1883. And yet in 1930s many people were executed for criticizing his ideas.
 
I'm sure there are a substantial amount of "lifers" who are actually innocent.
 
sookster said:
I'm sure there are a substantial amount of "lifers" who are actually innocent.
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There are. And there are many lifers who should have been not guilty by the reason of insanity -- but they should be contained within the institutions for the insane.
 
sookster said:
I'm sure there are a substantial amount of "lifers" who are actually innocent.
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If you have this knowledge, what are you doing to get them released?

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I support the Death Penalty for those that are guilty beyond a doubt... and beyond a mere jury verdict. Conclusive video is essential.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I support the Death Penalty for those that are guilty beyond a doubt... and beyond a mere jury verdict. Conclusive video is essential.
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I oppose the Death Penalty since many of the worst criminals may be legally insane.
 
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