Would you like it if your ideological opponents "died out"?[W:28]

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X Factor said:

I don't think you're fully appreciating the humor value of SJWs.

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it's more like gath's humor extends to concentration camps

really if the only purpose of SJWs is a "check" on extremism like that, "militant-atheists, hard-line feminists, modern race-baiters, hippies, sex-social libertines or any of the other various staples of the radical ideological Left's intellectual cancer" must comprise like 98% of the country. We therefore have no need to grant gath his wish and send his brand of 'worldviews' off to the next galaxy. HIS humor value is to sit here, grow old, whine and be miserable to entertain the rest of us

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Gathomas88 said:

Humor value? We're well beyond that.

These people are freaking dangerous. They're basically intellectual and social fascists, who simultaneously combine the very worst elements of elitist (i.e. snobbish self-righteous attitudes, appeals to intellectual authority, casual dismissal of opposing view points) and populist (ignorance of actual facts and history, extreme reactionary tendencies, 'mob mentality,' inclination towards destructive violence, and etca) political movements.

We should, quite frankly, be terrified that they have gained the amount of traction that they have.

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I am so flattered by the power you have granted me over your capacity to simply enjoy life

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Making personal comments is a good way to get infracted. I'd suggest that people stick to the topic and not posters or infractions will be handed out. chromium said: it's more like gath's humor extends to concentration camps really if the only purpose of SJWs is a "check" on extremism like that, "militant-atheists, hard-line feminists, modern race-baiters, hippies, sex-social libertines or any of the other various staples of the radical ideological Left's intellectual cancer" must comprise like 98% of the country. We therefore have no need to grant gath his wish and send his brand of 'worldviews' off to the next galaxy. HIS humor value is to sit here, grow old, whine and be miserable to entertain the rest of us Click to expand...

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Hmmmmm

I wouldn't say I'd like it for my ideological opponents to die out.
I wouldn't mind it if certain ideologies died out.

Maybe you don't think there's a distinction there, but I do. Ideologies can die out without people dying (e.g. opposition to gay marriage).

Gathomas88 said:

I absolutely believe a world without "SJWs," militant-atheists, hard-line feminists, modern race-baiters, hippies, sex-social libertines or any of the other various staples of the radical ideological Left's intellectual cancer would be a "better" place than what we have now.

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Sounds like you want a

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Redress said:

I do not wish for anyone to die, nor do I take pleasure in the death of anyone.

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Not sure if this about physical death.

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TheGoverness said:

No. Otherwise, I wouldn't have anyone to challenge my beliefs. I don't want to live in a giant echo chamber.

If I did, I wouldn't be here on DP.

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Basically this, though there are strands from any group that I could do without. For example, we have the regressive micro-aggression safe-place SJWs that I could do without (for the left), though I support true egalitarians, and we have racist nationalists, which I don't mind some limited nationalism but racists can go away as well (for the right).

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Not at all. I may disagree with staunch conservatives, but I don't wish any harm to them.

The twisted, tortured logic that the other side comes up with is priceless entertainment. I hope they never go away.

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Communists, fascists, racists, and theocrats, yes.

If you mean naturally and over time, anyway.

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chromium said:

it's more like gath's humor extends to concentration camps

really if the only purpose of SJWs is a "check" on extremism like that, "militant-atheists, hard-line feminists, modern race-baiters, hippies, sex-social libertines or any of the other various staples of the radical ideological Left's intellectual cancer" must comprise like 98% of the country. We therefore have no need to grant gath his wish and send his brand of 'worldviews' off to the next galaxy. HIS humor value is to sit here, grow old, whine and be miserable to entertain the rest of us

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chromium said:

I am so flattered by the power you have granted me over your capacity to simply enjoy life

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First off, having a petulantly angry chip on one's shoulder and a penchant for "reverse bigotry" doesn't automatically make one an "SJW," so you shouldn't flatter yourself with the title. You are, at best, an opportunistic "hanger-on," not counted amongst the ranks of the "true believers" I was speaking of.

Secondly, I'm really not sure how you think what you posted above does anything but confirm my argument. The basic fact of the matter is that the modern "Pop Left" has little of real substance to bitch about these days, and so has basically become an engine of intellectual fascism, devoted to squashing dissent to its own views by any means necessary instead. One of its favorite tactics in doing so simply happens to involve making life for those who fail to comply to those (quite frankly, unreasonably puritanical) views absolutely miserable, through mass public and private harassment and even outright violence in some cases.

What's more, they paint with such an absurdly broad brush in doing so that they can't even seem to agree amongst themselves regarding what does, or does not, constitute "acceptable" behavior. It's become an almost daily occurrence for different factions of the Far Left to tear into one another over various and sundry petty accusations of "racism," "sexism," "Islamaphobia," or any number of other issues.

It'd honestly be comical to watch, if it weren't so objectively frightening in its spastic lack of self-awareness regarding the extremist sentiments and dangerous lack of tolerance flagrantly on display.

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Nilly said:

Sounds like you want a

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Or a simple "reset." :shrug:

I'm sorry, but the vast majority of the obsessively loud, belligerent, chaotic, contradictory, and generally non-productive memes of the modern cultural Left accomplish nothing but to bog down discourse and society at large like so much malicious code on a computer operating system.

X Factor said:

I've seen this a few times, someone claiming something to the effect of "I can't wait for people of a whatever lean to die out". I'm not so much asking if you're wishing death on others, I'll assume nobody wishes for that, but more do you see the death of certain folks as being somewhat positive if it means the ending or disappearance of ideologies or beliefs you view as at odds with yours?

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I would. The ideology of the radical right-wing is anathema to this country and has been to the world since fascism. To finally have them missing from the socio-political scene would finally make room for reasonable conservative input.

X Factor said:

I've seen this a few times, someone claiming something to the effect of "I can't wait for people of a whatever lean to die out". I'm not so much asking if you're wishing death on others, I'll assume nobody wishes for that, but more do you see the death of certain folks as being somewhat positive if it means the ending or disappearance of ideologies or beliefs you view as at odds with yours?

Poll forthcoming

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I would say no to the death of ideological opponents. What works best over time usually is not one pure ideology, but a combination of ideologies. Usually strict ideology looks good on paper and in theory whether left or right, conservative or liberal, capitalism or communism/socialism or what have you.

Pure anything has its drawbacks and its unintended consequences. What is best for the people is somewhere in the middle of left/right, conservative/liberal, capitalism/socialism, perhaps in somethings it is further right and in others further left. Death to my opponent’s ideology, no. It all boils down to the debate of ideals and then using those ideas through trial and error to come up with what is best.

Too much of a good thing is always too much and too much is always bad for you. We all need tempering back some at times and to find out what works best is not cut and dried left and right.

Gathomas88 said:

Secondly, I'm really not sure how you think what you posted above does anything but confirm my argument. The basic fact of the matter is that the modern "Pop Left" has little of real substance to bitch about these days, and so has basically become an engine of intellectual fascism, devoted to squashing dissent to its own views by any means necessary instead. One of its favorite tactics in doing so simply happens to involve making life for those who fail to comply to those (quite frankly, unreasonably puritanical) views absolutely miserable, through mass public and private harassment and even outright violence in some cases.

What's more, they paint with such an absurdly broad brush in doing so that they can't even seem to agree amongst themselves regarding what does, or does not, constitute "acceptable" behavior. It's become an almost daily occurrence for different factions of the Far Left to tear into one another over various and sundry petty accusations of "racism," "sexism," "Islamaphobia," or any number of other issues.

It'd honestly be comical to watch, if it weren't so objectively frightening in its spastic lack of self-awareness regarding the extremist sentiments and dangerous lack of tolerance flagrantly on display.

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Pssh, if that football player causes you to spasm from thousands of miles away just by not standing during the anthem, he isn't *harassing you*, you're just overreacting hysterically. And multiple that by thousands of other overreactions to things that don't effect you in the least, and we start to understand why your crusade to flee for another planet is a lonely one

Just because we revel in it doesn't make your reaction ever reasonable

Tell us more how oppressed the rich white conservative man is

jet57 said:

I would. The ideology of the radical right-wing is anathema to this country and has been to the world since fascism. To finally have them missing from the socio-political scene would finally make room for reasonable conservative input.

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The radical right has contributed so very little of value, it is true

Sadly wiping them out would only leave a void for more to swarm in and would trigger a backlash of some kind

chromium said:

The radical right has contributed so very little of value, it is true

Sadly wiping them out would only leave a void for more to swarm in and would trigger a backlash of some kind

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Nope, it wouldn't leave a void that couldn't be ignored.

chromium said:

Pssh, if that football player causes you to spasm from thousands of miles away just by not standing during the anthem, he isn't *harassing you*, you're just overreacting hysterically. And multiple that by thousands of other overreactions to things that don't effect you in the least, and we start to understand why your crusade to flee for another planet is a lonely one

Just because we revel in it doesn't make your reaction ever reasonable

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Lol. Irrationally angry black lynch mobs, driven on by inflammatory, self-defeating, and racist Far Left rhetoric, are burning down half the freaking country, starting with their own neighborhoods (a bit of hyperbole, I know, but indulge me), in reaction to the natural consequences of their own jacked up, crime and poverty glorifying anti-authoritarian culture, and some imbecilic meathead who gets tackled for living (and wants to identify as 'black,' apparently, in spite of being half-white and not looking even remotely African) wants to make an ass out of himself by implying that it's somehow everyone else who has the problem? I certainly think he's a moron, and a moron of "groan worthy" caliber at that. However, he's hardly sending me into "spasms." :lol:

In any case, Chrome, keep right on ridin' that hate train. You can rest assured that I won't hesitate to call a spade-a-spade.

Tell us more how oppressed the rich white conservative man is

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You do realize that most of the people who came up with, and are subsequently responsible for driving, this inane movement are rich white elitists themselves, correct?

those young people. “We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks”

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TheGoverness said:

Who the hell voted yes?

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Right here.

The "yes" option looked lonely, so I did the courageous thing and gave it the love that others didn't want to give it.

Also, wish for everything you want, it's not going to happen anyway.

There's also no definition of "political opponents" so I thought to myself, "Murderous Nazis with bionic arms would be a political opponent of mine, and yes, I would wish them dead."

Finally, would the world be a better place without some kinds of people? It's very difficult to argue that it wouldn't be.

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Gathomas88 said:

I believe I've said more than a few times that I would actually LOVE to be able to follow the example of our colonial forebearers, load up a big honking sleeper space ship full of people with worldviews similar to my own, and set course for the nearest star likely to have inhabitable planets around it to start over from scratch.

Why? Because I, quite frankly, think our present society is a giant unworkable mess, headed straight for a catastrophic collapse of some sort or another, which is only going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I really want nothing to do with it (or, rather, certain elements of it responsible for furthering that state of affairs) as such.

It's not quite the same thing as wishing for one's opponents to "die off," I suppose. However, it is somewhat similar to what you describe.

I absolutely believe a world without "SJWs," militant-atheists, hard-line feminists, modern race-baiters, hippies, sex-social libertines or any of the other various staples of the radical ideological Left's intellectual cancer would be a "better" place than what we have now.

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This^ is a good argument for why the first option in the poll has a reason for its existence.

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TheGoverness said:

No. Otherwise, I wouldn't have anyone to challenge my beliefs. I don't want to live in a giant echo chamber.

If I did, I wouldn't be here on DP.

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Indeed. On both counts.

Redress said:

I do not wish for anyone to die, nor do I take pleasure in the death of anyone.

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I recall when Obama came out with his 'we got him moment'. OK.

I really didn't like all the celebrations in response to Osama Bin Landen's death for the same reason. Any person's death shouldn't be celebrated, except in respect by friends as in a wake or similar.

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Opopanax said:

This^ is a good argument for why the first option in the poll has a reason for its existence.

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I'm sorry you find the idea of someone being less than thrilled with the prospect of your company, or immersion in the kind of culture you desire, so unpalatable. lol

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Nilly said:

Sounds like you want a

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Good show!!
You used the time machine from the 1960 movie.
The 2002 remake stunk.

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Right-Wing Authoritarians? I don't think there are many people out there who would protest at any significant octave to the sudden disappearance of right-wing authoritarian and/or totalitarian regimes.

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Of course there's a 'somewhat positive' element to certain people who promulgate and support horrible ideologies dying out, particularly if they take violent and unethical actions to champion that ideology; for example: totalitarianism, ISIS style theocracies/religious extremism, fascism and the like.