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Did Trump Flip Flop on Immigration?

Did Trump Flip Flop on Immigration?

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Excon said:
Nothing you said here was true.
If you address the other issue which you keep deflecting from, we can than move on to these other issues.
My responses are ready, I am just waiting on you to address that which you refuse. Those responses will show you to be wrong and that it is you who were pawned.
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WTF is the other issue you are talking about???
 
ModerateGOP said:
WTF is the other issue you are talking about???
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In my short time on this forum, I have noticed that arguing with certain posters is much like arguing with a brick wall......pointless.
Good luck.
 
ModerateGOP said:
WTF is the other issue you are talking about???
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Really? Your reply is just more deflection as you already know as I keep pointing it out to you.
Again. Here is our exchange.

Excon said:
ModerateGOP said:
What do you think softening means?
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Asking me question like such when you have not proven the claim isn't gonna fly.

So let me help you out.
What did he say that he was going to soften? Huh?
Let me tell you - nothing. Absolutely nothing.

He said "... there can be a softening ..." in an interview, not that anything would be softened. Big difference.
But media idiots ran with it as if he said it would soften when that simply is not what he said.
Do you really not understand the difference?

He has not changed his stance.

This was his latest interview concerning the issue.
His stance has not changed.

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Watch the video this time. It is the latest and just a confirmation that his stance is still the same.
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Now pay careful attention so I do not have to say this again.
The reports on softening were based on his comment of "... there can be softening ...", not that there would be softening.
Not on what you want to introduce that has absolutely nothing to do with what the media falsely ran with.
He did not claim there would be any softening. Period. The media ran with a false story.

If you can not admit that, there is no reason to move on.
 
Excon said:
Your reply is stupid. His stance is known and has not changed.
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My reply was not stupid. The people who think Donald Trump will deport the illegals, as he said he would, are the stupid ones. The people who think Donald Trump supports the Second Amendment because he says he does haven't seem to have noticed that he's also said he'll keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and "enemies of the state". Oh, my personal favorite. He's pro-life, suddenly, but he wants continued taxpayer subsidies for Planned Parenthood. Flip-flop much. He loves veterans, although he went to some lengths not to be one, as long as they don't sell trinkets near his building or get captured and tortured by the enemy.

Sorry, if there is any stupidity on display with would be with the Trumpkins who believe what a huckster tells them he's said.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Hm I'm pretty sure he said heartening. But it doesn't really matter. Does it?
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He absolutely said "hardening." He was trying to argue with Cooper that he was not softening his position on immigration.

https://youtu.be/F_o0-DaELlw


He F'd up big time and I can't wait for the polls to come out next week. :popcorn2:
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Well, we'll see. It's not like the nativists have anywhere else to go.
 
ModerateGOP said:
1. Yes you do.
2. No it's not.
3. But he has in other clips and to other reporters. Donald says one thing to someone else and another thing to another person.
4. I did.
5. That doesn't bother you?
6. There was softening. I already showed you how many times he has changed his mind on this issue.
7. Yes it did. He called it a heartening. He says he no longer wants to deport 11 Million people. In 2015 he said he would create a deportation force to do this: Donald Trump promises 'deportation force' to move 11M - CNNPolitics.com how much clearer can it be? How is saying Yes Deportation in 2015 and no deportation in 2016 Not a flip flop?? Not a softening?? Please answer the question.
8. Yes I provided the link I just linked to you again. READ IT!
9. I did, you just are refusing to admit that you are wrong, but go ahead I'll be happy to PWN you more.
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You make great points... but I think the thing is that now evolving on a position is a good thing. If he softened up like Obama did on gay marriage, can we really blame him? His position was too extreme. It's a positive that he has changed it - even if it looks like a flip flop. ;)
 
Excon said:
Now pay careful attention so I do not have to say this again.
The reports on softening were based on his comment of "... there can be softening ...", not that there would be softening.
Not on what you want to introduce that has absolutely nothing to do with what the media falsely ran with.
He did not claim there would be any softening. Period. The media ran with a false story.

If you can not admit that, there is no reason to move on.
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This is not a different issue. People were saying he was softening because HE IS! It doesn't matter if he didn't soften at that particular point in time. Because then he was just lying to you. He has changed his mind on the immigration issue (particularly allowing illegal immigrants to stay or not) at least four times in the past year! That is ridiculous.
 
Hatuey said:
You make great points... but I think the thing is that now evolving on a position is a good thing. If he softened up like Obama did on gay marriage, can we really blame him? His position was too extreme. It's a positive that he has changed it - even if it looks like a flip flop. ;)
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But Obama's comments on Gays came across as contemplative. I'm mocked constantly on here for saying I trust the establishment more than Trump and Trump's style about this just throws me off. Trump's comments on immigration comes across as slippery at best and mocking/lying at worse. It makes him sound like he doesn't know what he is talking about and/or that he never actually believed it in the first place and just used that stance to exploit the people who believed him. This is the reason why Right wing media is up in arms about this whole debacle. They get this! Excon doesn't. Trump didn't handle it well and in fact it ALMOST looks like he got caught red-handed. Almost like he didn't know the words that were dropping from his mouth. Just like a certain spokeswoman.

This same thing is what I remember very early on about Trump when he first talked about abortion. He said women should be punished for abortions. Now I think even in most staunch republican circles you'd be hard-pressed to find someone saying that let alone advocating for it to happen if they were elected. So, very early on I decided that Trump just says these things because it's what he thinks people want to hear. He doesn't REALLY believe any of it I bet, and in four years he'll be back to being a democrat regardless of where he lives. NYC or DC.
 
ModerateGOP said:
But Obama's comments on Gays came across as contemplative. Trump's comments on immigration comes across as slippery at best and mocking/lying at worse. It makes him sound like he doesn't know what he is talking about and/or that he never actually believed it in the first place and just used that stance to exploit the people who believed him. This is the reason why Right wing media is up in arms about this whole debacle. They get this! Excon doesn't. Trump didn't handle it well and in fact it ALMOST looks like he got caught red-handed. Almost like he didn't know the words that were dropping from his mouth.

This same thing is what I remember very early on about Trump when he first talked about abortion. He said women should be punished for abortions. Now I think even in most staunch republican circles you'd be hard-pressed to find someone saying that let alone advocating for it to happen if they were elected. So, very early on I decided that Trump just says these things because it's what he thinks people want to hear. He doesn't REALLY believe any of it I bet, and in four years he'll be back to being a democrat regardless of where he lives. NYC or DC.
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My point is that suddenly, Trump supporters -- Republicans who've hammered Obama about this have little problem with Trump's change of mind. We are literally lulling these guys into taking liberal positions without realizing it.

Why let the fun stop when they're coming over to support Trump even when it is clear he has taken a position that couldn't be more to the left of theirs?
 
Hatuey said:
My point is that suddenly, Trump supporters -- Republicans who've hammered Obama about this have little problem with Trump's change of mind. We are literally lulling these guys into taking liberal positions without realizing it.
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We both know that but they don't even realize it! They still think he is a conservative. Hence the new term Alt-Right. It really is Alternate! That's what the Alt stands for haha.
 
ModerateGOP said:
We both know that but they don't even realize it! They still think he is a conservative. Hence the new term Alt-Right. It really is Alternate! That's what the Alt stands for haha.
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Given the results we are experiencing I would say that the political left should be pushing harder against Trump. It is clearly having the result of liberalizing people without them realizing it.

Full ****ing steam ahead to Left town. Keep it up boys.


Sent from a flower watered by the tears of Trump supporters and crazy newb liberals.
 
Patrickt said:
My reply was not stupid.
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Yeah it was and now you are doubling down on it. iLOL


Patrickt said:
The people who think Donald Trump will deport the illegals, as he said he would, are the stupid ones.
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Thinking he wouldn't is what is stupid.

As he said he would? Pray tell, which way do you think that is?


Patrickt said:
The people who think Donald Trump supports the Second Amendment because he says he does haven't seem to have noticed that he's also said he'll keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and "enemies of the state".
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And?
iLOL You have no point unless you are arguing with someone that believes the mentally ill and enemies of the state should be allowed to have them.


Patrickt said:
Oh, my personal favorite. He's pro-life, suddenly, but he wants continued taxpayer subsidies for Planned Parenthood. Flip-flop much.
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Wrong on all counts.
He was once for abortion and changed his mind later in life. That is a flip of position, not a flip-flop.

He wants the other activities they engage in to continue.


Patrickt said:
He loves veterans, although he went to some lengths not to be one,
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That is your spin on what occurred. Not reality.
He had legal deferments which would have only allowed "being considered for service in case of national emergency or an official declaration of war, which the United States avoided during the fighting in Vietnam".
You do know that "in the course of the Vietnam War, about 15.4 million men received deferments, were exempted or disqualified", right?


Patrickt said:
as long as they don't sell trinkets near his building or get captured and tortured by the enemy.
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This is your irrational bias speaking.


Patrickt said:
Sorry, if there is any stupidity on display with would be with the Trumpkins who believe what a huckster tells them he's said.
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Yes, your position is sorry and filled with nothing but irrational hatred.




Opopanax said:
Like a red headed stepchild.
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I see you too know not of what you speak.
That's ok, but it is good to know.
 
ModerateGOP said:
This is not a different issue.
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Wrong.
It is a specif which was being argued.
Instead of admitting that and your error in it, you then decided to broaden the argument. That doesn't fly.
You deal with the specific first, once that is dealt with then we can move on to any other argument.


ModerateGOP said:
People were saying he was softening because HE IS!
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Stop.
What was being reported on was his saying what he did.
There was no softening in regards to that or the reports regarding that.
Again, once you address that then we can move on.


ModerateGOP said:
Because then he was just lying to you. He has changed his mind on the immigration issue (particularly allowing illegal immigrants to stay or not) at least four times in the past year! That is ridiculous.
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funny, but no. What is ridiculous is your trying to deflect by broadening your argument (changing the goal posts), that doesn't fly.
Once you address that we can move on.


ModerateGOP said:
It doesn't matter if he didn't soften at that particular point in time.
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Wtf? What an absurd position to take.
Yes it does because that is what was being reported and discussed.

That is very close to an admission by you.
Take the next step and admit it.

And as you can see, I have stated I am more than willing to address your other issues after you address this point first.
 
Red headed step child's get beat down - it's what they do.
 
Excon said:
1. There was no softening in regards to that or the reports regarding that.
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Trump told Hannity he was softening on the issue. Do you not believe the words that come out of your own candidate's mouth?
I don't believe anything he says either, but it's not like I defend him every chance I get. If at all.

He doesn't even want to make any new laws now. He's content with the way things are going. It's a complete 180 from what he was talking about when he announced his candidacy. You know how he would send them all back but keep the families together???

“We want to follow the laws, you know, we have very strong laws in this country. And you know Bush, and even Obama, sends people back. Now, we can be more aggressive on that but we want to follow the laws," he told Hannity. "If you start going around trying to make new laws in this country it’s a process that’s brutal. We want to follow the laws of the country, and if we follow the laws we can do what we have to do.”
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Trump says he's open to 'softening' immigration laws in 'Hannity' town hall | Fox News

Can you tell me what a criminal illegal alien is? I thought they were all supposed to be criminals?
 
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ModerateGOP said:
Excon said:
There was no softening in regards to that or the reports regarding that.
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Trump told Hannity he was softening on the issue. Do you not believe the words that come out of your own candidate's mouth?
I don't believe anything he says either, but it's not like I defend him every chance I get. If at all.


He doesn't even want to make any new laws now. He's content with the way things are going. It's a complete 180 from what he was talking about when he announced his candidacy. You know how he would send them all back but keep the families together???

Trump says he's open to 'softening' immigration laws in 'Hannity' town hall | Fox News

Can you tell me what a criminal illegal alien is? I thought they were all supposed to be criminals?
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No one's memory here is this short, so thank you again for exemplifying that you do not pay attention to that which has been provided or argued.

You are clearly stuck in your own little imaginative world.

Pay attention this time.

Trump did not tell Hannity he was softening on the issue.
Your assertion is nothing more than a lie. Stop with the dishonesty.

Excon said:
Really? Your reply is just more deflection as you already know as I keep pointing it out to you.
Again. Here is our exchange.

Excon said:
ModerateGOP said:
What do you think softening means?
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Asking me question like such when you have not proven the claim isn't gonna fly.

So let me help you out.
What did he say that he was going to soften? Huh?
Let me tell you - nothing. Absolutely nothing.

He said "... there can be a softening ..." in an interview, not that anything would be softened. Big difference.
But media idiots ran with it as if he said it would soften when that simply is not what he said.
Do you really not understand the difference?

He has not changed his stance.

This was his latest interview concerning the issue.
His stance has not changed.

​



Watch the video this time. It is the latest and just a confirmation that his stance is still the same.
Click to expand...


Now pay careful attention so I do not have to say this again.
The reports on softening were based on his comment of "... there can be a softening ...", not that there would be softening.
Not on what you want to introduce that has absolutely nothing to do with what the media falsely ran with.
He did not claim there would be any softening. Period. The media ran with a false story.

If you can not admit that, there is no reason to move on.
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The media ran with a false story and you bought into a false story. There was no softening in regards to that or the reports regarding that.
Do you really not understand that there is a difference between a "can be" and there "will be"?
Matter of fact I showed you in follow-up interviews that there was in fact no softening in his position at all, and yet you still spew that dishonest nonsense. Truly sad.
 
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