Should first responders be sent to revive/save Heroin addicts who have overdosed

TurtleDude said:

yeah they gave him a shot of that narcam or whatever its called and he recovered and then OD'd that night according to the FC

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Why wasn't he jailed?

TurtleDude said:

I dont support the level of taxation that those two societies impose on productive people to pay for that crap. and most of the Democrats won't support the level of taxation those two societies impose on the bottom 50% to pay for that either

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Maybe the answer is to have on e ambulance dedicated to those cases first come first served.

Whatever happens after that happens.

I mean an extra, not take one that already exists.

Certain things in society, such as matters of life and death, must never be subject to cost-benefit calculations. So yes, first respondents can't just ignore a call about a heroin addict that overdosed and finish their burrito or poker game.

That, however, doesn't mean I subscriber to the twaddle of legalizing drugs as a means of combating the drugs epidemic, or the twaddle of people having the right to destroy their bodies in a "free society". Society owes you certain rights such as the right to defend your life no matter the cost. Likewise, you owe society certain rights such as the right of contributing to the welfare of the state and the prudent consumption of its resources. A heroin addict must be saved at all cost; the state has every authority to rid him of his malady.

TurtleDude said:

most of those-don't involve illegal substances do they?

Contrarian nonsense isn't really helpful

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They are drug addicts, so **** them, right?

Obviously you are not a Christian.

TurtleDude said:

In SW Ohio there is a huge increase in the number of heroin overdoses. Our first responders have been tied up responding to Heroin addicts' suffering overdoses and this in turn is expensive as it consumes the time of the responders plus the medical costs of reviving and then treating addicts.

Should society stop wasting money and time on idiots who engage in such self-destructive behavior

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Paramedics attempt to save all lives and treatment/assistance is administrated to patients exactly as it should be, on a needs alone basis and that's how it should and will remain. Irrespective of the act that resulted in the need for medical assistance being provided, the patient should and will receive the necessary care required. I could never support ethically irrelevant factors when determining whose life is worth saving such as race, religion, gender, maritial status, social status, capacity to pay etc, much like I will never base any decisions I make in relation to care required on whether or not someone else thinks their life is worth saving or not.

TurtleDude said:

you make a fair point but I would triage Heroin ODs and in terms of priority for first responders, put them at the back of the line compared to say accident victims or crime victims

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Not going to happen. Needs alone basis trumps all. Whoever has the greater need for assistance will get it first. It isn't about making moral judgements on who you feel is more worthy of treatment, triage is the process of determining the priority of patients' treatments based on the severity of their condition.

TurtleDude said:

In SW Ohio there is a huge increase in the number of heroin overdoses. Our first responders have been tied up responding to Heroin addicts' suffering overdoses and this in turn is expensive as it consumes the time of the responders plus the medical costs of reviving and then treating addicts.

Should society stop wasting money and time on idiots who engage in such self-destructive behavior

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Yes, but there is one problem. You don't know it's an overdose till you get there.

TurtleDude said:

In SW Ohio there is a huge increase in the number of heroin overdoses. Our first responders have been tied up responding to Heroin addicts' suffering overdoses and this in turn is expensive as it consumes the time of the responders plus the medical costs of reviving and then treating addicts.

Should society stop wasting money and time on idiots who engage in such self-destructive behavior

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Thanks but no thanks. I really don't want the medical community to start deciding who gets treatment and who doesn't.

Black Racist Doctor: "Oh that's a white man? Nope! Not helping him!"

White Racist Doctor: "Oh that's a black man? Nope! Not helping him!"

Doctor that is a Hillary hater: "Wait! That person has a I heart Hillary shirt! Nope! Not helping them!"

Doctor that is a Trump hater: "Wait! That person has a I heart Trump shirt! Nope! Not helping them!"

Doctor that is homophobic: "Excuse me sir? Did you say that your husband was just brought in? Well, I WAS his doctor. He can go to hell now because I refuse to treat him."

Doctor that is an outspoken SSM supporter: "That woman is wearing a Christian Cross! Nope, not going to treat her that's for damn sure!"

Doctor that hates poor people: "What? This person has no money and no insurance? Nope, not going to treat em, there are more deserving people that need treatment!"

Doctor that hates rich people: "What? This person is actually able to pay all of their bills up front? Nope, not going to treat em, there are more deserving people that need treatment!"

The list goes on and on and on, the moment that we start letting anyone in the medical profession start to refuse treatment just because that person that needs treatment is against things that we do not like is the moment that we lose out humanity.

TurtleDude said:

In SW Ohio there is a huge increase in the number of heroin overdoses. Our first responders have been tied up responding to Heroin addicts' suffering overdoses and this in turn is expensive as it consumes the time of the responders plus the medical costs of reviving and then treating addicts.

Should society stop wasting money and time on idiots who engage in such self-destructive behavior

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Its not an either or. Save them, and then make them pay for the treatment.

TurtleDude said:

In SW Ohio there is a huge increase in the number of heroin overdoses. Our first responders have been tied up responding to Heroin addicts' suffering overdoses and this in turn is expensive as it consumes the time of the responders plus the medical costs of reviving and then treating addicts.

Should society stop wasting money and time on idiots who engage in such self-destructive behavior

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So emergency responders, and ODs, this is going to relate to people who are dying, correct? Are we to say that if you call 911 for an emergency, that the operator needs to have the caller respond to a questionnaire about how the emergency came about, and if it came about from drug use we'd send no help?

I don't think we can really do that. First off, if that became policy, people would lie to get emergency crews over there. Secondly, you can't just leave people to die when we have the power and technology to save them. It sucks that they haven't made good choices and brought this about, but we can't just leave them to die. If we are to be a moral society, then we have to treat them. Perhaps we should be expanding rehab and mental health facilities and trying to get people who need help the help they need. But leaving them to die? No, we can't do that. Even if they are dumb drug addicts, they are still human.

TurtleDude said:

uh its easy to tell why someone has OD'd Heart attacks etc, not so much. Arthur Ashe-one of the greatest tennis players in US History had a heart attack. So did Basketball college star Hank Gaithers. fitness was not an issue. Diet was not an issue.

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No great people were addicted to alcohol or drugs? I am sure there was one out there somewhere.

TurtleDude said:

In SW Ohio there is a huge increase in the number of heroin overdoses. Our first responders have been tied up responding to Heroin addicts' suffering overdoses and this in turn is expensive as it consumes the time of the responders plus the medical costs of reviving and then treating addicts.

Should society stop wasting money and time on idiots who engage in such self-destructive behavior

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You , TurtleDude are a misanthrope ! Civilized people must take the more difficult path ..

PIPEWRENCH said:

No great people were addicted to alcohol or drugs? I am sure there was one out there somewhere.

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Absolutely, but this has been very well ''covered up'' ... particularly with drugs , must less with alcohol .. a badge of ''honor'' of a sorts .

TurtleDude said:

I dont support the level of taxation that those two societies impose on productive people to pay for that crap. and most of the Democrats won't support the level of taxation those two societies impose on the bottom 50% to pay for that either

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Universal and cheap medical care is crap. What an odd attitude.

jonny5 said:

Its not an either or. Save them, and then make them pay for the treatment.

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:lamo

Thats a good one!!!

earthworm said:

You , TurtleDude are a misanthrope ! Civilized people must take the more difficult path ..

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What do you base that position on? Your religious beliefs?

no, drug addiction does not void your rights as a human being, Jesus what a question. i get your point on economic grounds but some people are weak minded, they don't deserve to die for it, they need help.

beefheart said:

Hippocratic Oath.

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Does not apply to first responders, even before we look at the fact that it is not legally binding.

TurtleDude said:

what if a heart attack victim or the victim of a shooting dies because the first responders are tied up treating self inflicted heroin overdoses? 30 ODs in one day-that's a ton of time involving first responders? Should those who OD be (yeah I know lots of them are stealing to pay for their habit) charged for the cost of their treatment?

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They are charged. All individuals who make use of medical facilities are charged for their services. Whether they can pay or not is a different matter.