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Do you care that Trump won't reveal his wealth and tax returns? [W:248]

Do you care that Trump won't reveal his wealth and tax returns?

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Born Free said:
Like what do you want to see ----- a lose on his tax return or a ton of income for the year. What would make you happy
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his tax returns released for examination just like every other presidential candidate for many elections now.
 
Born Free said:
You asked to know how much Trump was worth, you will not find that in a tax return.
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If you can quote me suggesting that the sum of his wealth could be found in a tax return, then your point will validity. If not, then it is a straw man.

Born Free said:
Further there is no law to produce a financial statement or a tax return. You are asking for something that is NON OF YOUR BUSINESS.
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Your opinion is noted and disregarded.
 
What he saying is correct. The is no "net wealth form". Possibly property taxes on what he owns a pays the property tax on.

Income tax forms are precisely that: income.

That being said, we can't easily put a taxable value on the value of government favors. If you pay the Clinton Foundation ten million and get insider information worth fifteen million, is that five million taxable as income? I say it is.
 
chuckiechan said:
What he saying is correct. The is no "net wealth form". Possibly property taxes on what he owns a spats the property tax on.

Income tax forms are precisely that: income.
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And it's erroneous to assume that even needed to be said. The tax returns are one component. Being straightforward about his net wealth would be another. Both of which he's kept from us so we can't quantify the one claim to being qualified for being President.
 
I care only because I am curious - even if he has 500 trillion US dollars in gold-pressed latinum in a huge vault under his chair at the top of trump tower, it won't get me to vote for him.


I'd still like to know though.


Edit: I'd actually like to see some info on the Clinton financials though. And I know this thread isn't about them.
 
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Objective Voice said:
There's also the aspect of taxes paid in general. While I totally understand the concept behind "keep more of what you earn" and using existing tax laws to write down your taxable liabilities, that DOES NOT mean you shouldn't pay any taxes, IMO. Of course, as Mitt Romney said during the last presidential election cycle, he paid as much taxes as the law allowed. To hard working Americans who get up every day and punch the clock working their 9-5 job (dead-end or otherwise), it's a slap in the face to know that your presidential candidate paid ZERO (0) federal taxes while your tax rate (as adjusted) still amounted to 17% or higher (for some as much as 33-35% of their gross earnings). So, yeah! I want to know what Donald J. Trump's tax return - at least for 2015 - looks like because it matters!
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Lets see, if you own a construction company and you bid a job and one of the jobs you bid was a big bust, you went over your budget so much you showed a 10 million loss for the year. Yet you are so generous you're going to pay taxes. I have to wonder just how much you plan on paying.
 
Cardinal said:
And it's erroneous to assume that even needed to be said. The tax returns are one component. Being straightforward about his net wealth would be another. Both of which he's kept from us so we can't quantify the one claim to being qualified for being President.
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Are you suggesting a person's wealth is the qualifier to be president?
 
Cardinal said:
If you can quote me suggesting that the sum of his wealth could be found in a tax return, then your point will validity. If not, then it is a straw man.

Your opinion is noted and disregarded.
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OK so then you want to see his audited financial statement. To see what his wealth is. Now tell me how many prior presidents turned over their financial statement to the public.

Hell I would like to see your financial statement, please post it here on DP.
 
Born Free said:
Are you suggesting a person's wealth is the qualifier to be president?
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No, he and his supporters are. That's his basis for being President. Unless you can name a past political office he's held that has prepared him for the job of being President?
 
Ikari said:
I don't care too much because it won't influence my decision. I already think Trump is a charlatan and a liar, a trumped up gas bag of deceit and ignorance.
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And those are his good points.
 
haymarket said:
his tax returns released for examination just like every other presidential candidate for many elections now.
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And maybe you can post up the law that requires any candidate to do so. You sound like someone that if a person walks off a cliff you must follow him off the cliff too.
 
Cardinal said:
Trump has held no previous political office, or in fact any office associated whatsoever with government. This has in the past been argued by his supporters to be a selling point for him, the pretext being that because he's not "establishment" then he's outside of a corrupt system. The remaining qualification for him, it has been argued by his supporters, is that he is a rich and successful businessman.

However, Trump has specifically worked to make sure that nobody is actually able to quantify this claim. He won't reveal any facts about his sum wealth and has decided not to release his tax returns which would have revealed something else about his business, any donations, and of course how much he pays in taxes. As a result, people can only guess about his actual wealth, but really, nobody but Trump actually knows anything at all.

So, in spite of the claim that his wealth and success are his qualification for being President, are you bothered by the fact that he steadfastly refuses to let anybody quantify that claim?

For those who find focusing to be hard, this thread is about Trump and not Hillary Clinton. It's also not about Barak Obama, Bernie Sanders, Alinsky, Soros, Bill Clinton, jet contrails, 9/11, the Keebler Elves or the theory of Atlantis. It's about Trump.
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I don't care that he doesn't reveal his taxes. He's rich. So? Actually, I admire his decision.
 
Born Free said:
OK so then you want to see his audited financial statement. To see what his wealth is. Now tell me how many prior presidents turned over their financial statement to the public.

Hell I would like to see your financial statement, please post it here on DP.
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When I run for President, it won't be on the basis of me being rich and successful, but on the basis that I'm a brilliant basketball player. Then I won't shoot any hoops for people or for the camera. Then I'll troll people online and say, "Let's see you shoot a few hoops, big shot!"
 
Cardinal said:
No, he and his supporters are. That's his basis for being President. Unless you can name a past political office he's held that has prepared him for the job of being President?
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He and his supporters are WHAT?

You mean like the community organizer that never ran a lemonade stand.
 
I could care less if he does not release his tax returns. If he did release them we would have two weeks of "Breaking News" on CNN.
And MSNBC would have 24 hour coverage speculating and talking nonsense. The media wants his tax return. Has anyone here ever looked
at a presidential candidate's tax return and if you did what did you learn? Maybe a CPA could make heads or tails out of it but most of us
would not spend the time necessary to understand it.

He did file with The Federal Election Commission a 92-page personal-financial-disclosure report as part of his presidential campaign on Wednesday.
If you have a burning desire here you go... 92 pages! :)
 
Born Free said:
He and his supporters are WHAT?
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Okay, so you're playing at amnesia. What's his qualification for being President then? This ought to be good.
 
Cardinal said:
When I run for President, it won't be on the basis of me being rich and successful, but on the basis that I'm a brilliant basketball player. Then I won't shoot any hoops for people or for the camera. Then I'll troll people online and say, "Let's see you shoot a few hoops, big shot!"
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Good that will be a fun thing to watch you run for president, you'll be like Jill Stein with negative votes.
 
Born Free said:
Good that will be a fun thing to watch you run for president
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Are you saying that being able to play basketball disqualifies someone for being President? Let's see you shoot a few hoops, big shot.
 
Cardinal said:
When I run for President, it won't be on the basis of me being rich and successful, but on the basis that I'm a brilliant basketball player. Then I won't shoot any hoops for people or for the camera. Then I'll troll people online and say, "Let's see you shoot a few hoops, big shot!"
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I'm gonna run against you because I can speak so many languages but I won't answer any questions in any other language and I'll only answer in English. In fact, I'll only use words with three syllables or less.
 
Cardinal said:
Are you saying that being able to play basketball disqualifies someone for being President? Let's see you shoot a few hoops, big shot.
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I could care less if you shot a 100 straight from the middle of the court. And nothing disqualifies you from running for anything. I repeat "Good that will be a fun thing to watch you run for president, you'll be like Jill Stein with negative votes."
 
Born Free said:
I could care less if you shot a 100 straight from the middle of the court. And nothing disqualifies you from running for anything.
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Very good. And Trump isn't disqualified from running due to being rich and successful either. But the problem is that that's the only qualification he's running on, and he won't actually reveal if the one thing he's running on is entirely true. But you yourself seem surprised by the notion that that's what he's running on. If it isn't, or if there is something else, what is it? What experience does he have elsewhere?
 
I'm not voting and I care. All but the brain-dead trumpers has become well-acquainted with Trump's stupidity and demagoguery, but his refusal to disclose his tax returns is a distinct affair of unsettling suspicion. Who knows what he's hiding, and in light of the revelations regarding his Russian ties, his creditors, and his businesses, it may be grotesque. Also, the petty financial practices of his campaign are quite telling.
 
Gaztopian said:
I'm not voting and I care. All but the brain-dead trumpers has become well-acquainted with Trump's stupidity and demagoguery, but his refusal to disclose his tax returns is a distinct affair of unsettling suspicion. Who knows what he's hiding, and in light of the revelations regarding his Russian ties, his creditors, and his businesses, it may be grotesque. Also, the petty financial practices of his campaign are quite telling.
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You do know that his tax returns would not show any of that right? No ones tax returns would.
 
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