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If Texas Turns Blue in 2016.....

If Hillary Clinton wins Texas, do you view it as a....

  • Rejection of Trump

    Votes: 27 62.8%

  • Endorsement of Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 2 4.7%

  • A mix of both

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • Neither/other/something unique about this election/Texan electorate

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • Total voters
    43
Gaugingcatenate said:
You folks that don't vote for Trump are gonna do what you are gonna do... but if the margin of a Hillary victory is anywhere close to what Johnson ends up with, cannot speak for the rest, but personally going to be, with good reason, blaming/hating on y'all for the rest of my, and I think many of our politically savvy lives.

To hand Hillary the reins when so much will be lost, sorry, but it will be all y'all's fault. The stakes are high, the candidates from all sides are, sure, less than ideal. But one is undeniably more corrupt with at least one foot solidly in hell already. The nation has in our past recovered from many sustained blows but she will follow Obama in taking our country on a path of decline from which there may be no return this time. Especially following on the heals of a very successful American heritage detester, she with her certain radical choices on an already too liberal Supreme Court...my good god, how could you even think it?

And with our continued moral debasement, providence certainly won't be looking much in our direction.

Yet you will be pure and have, no doubt, good intentions. An impractically good conscience does little good surrounded by chaos, despair and a squandered posterity.
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It's going to fun to watch conservatives stroke out in fits of apoplectic, self-induced rage.
 
Gaea said:
His debacle of a campaign is evidence enough that he'd be grossly incompetent as president.

Let's review the facts, shall we?
- Trump's first campaign manager was fired in June
- Trump's second campaign manager was dismissed earlier this month

He's now on his third campaign manager. There's no reason to believe he'd hire competent people to advise him if he were elected.

That he has bragged about buying politicians is evidence enough that he has no problem with corruption when he's involved. He's given no serious indication that he thinks the existing corruption in the government is problematic.

Trump is as criminal as Hillary is.
Trump camp apparently soliciting foreign cash despite warnings | TheHill



And really? You want to talk about telling the truth? When talking about the guy who's had 70% of his fact-checked statements rated false by politifact?
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So being in charge and firing people that are not right for the current job is somehow, what to you? Weak, indecisive, muddled? How is it in his first political campaign ever, especially not starting out at dog catcher but at the top position, he beat all the experienced folks, people used to running campaigns?

So tell us, if he is so muddled, how is it that he came out being the front runner? Luck?

What are you talking about, Trump describes what he did, apparently legally, as a system that is broken. Is Hillary saying that, is Hillary admitting to anything, ANYTHING, that she does wrong? Hell, she is an unindicted unconvicted felon, we for sure know she broke the law and put peoples lives in jeopardy, people lost their lives because of her ineptness. As an aside, have you seen the recent true stories about her girl, Huma Abedin/Mrs Tony Wiener, being the editor of a radical Muslin Journal until 2008? Huma Abedin Worked at a 'Radical Muslim Journal' : snopes.com

If he is breaking the law, go after him. I do not see the FEC going after him on foreign solicitations. Maybe you know something the rest of us dont?

You certainly cannot say Clinton's judgement on who she surrounds herself with is better than Trump's. I am not a Politifact fan, so am unconcerned about their assessment of Trump or Hillary.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
So being in charge and firing people that are not right for the current job is somehow, what to you? Weak, indecisive, muddled? How is it in his first political campaign ever, especially not starting out at dog catcher but at the top position, he beat all the experienced folks, people used to running campaigns?

So tell us, if he is so muddled, how is it that he came out being the front runner? Luck?
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By being openly racist and turning the debates into a giant reality show. That doesn't make somebody a good president.

And if you think being a star of a failed reality TV show that makes somebody an excellent businessman, you need a reality check.

A little fun reading for you:
Donald Trump a 'reality star genius'? TV ratings tell different story - Chicago Tribune
A series of trumped-up fiscal competitions that allegedly demonstrated contestants’ suitability for the modern business world, with Trump as a sort of godfather presence, “The Apprentice” was a genuine hit in that first season, ending as the seventh-most-watched TV show of the year, averaging almost 21 million viewers a week.

But NBC put it into its Thursday night prime time lineup, once revered as “must-see TV,” and the long slow decline for that network was underway. “The Apprentice” didn’t help: Its ratings declined steadily each year after that, to 11th place overall in its second season, then 15th, then 38th. When, after its sixth season in 2007, it finished as the 75th-most-watched show (with 7.5 million viewers on average), NBC decided to scrap real people as contestants and bring on celebrities close enough to rock bottom to appear on a reality show where success depended on ingratiating themselves to Trump.

The celebrity show did better, but it has been middle of the pack all the way, with finishes ranking from 46th to 84th before Trump announced his candidacy and NBC replaced him with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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Gaugingcatenate said:
What are you talking about, Trump describes what he did, apparently legally, as a system that is broken. Is Hillary saying that, is Hillary admitting to anything, ANYTHING, that she does wrong? Hell, she is an unindicted unconvicted felon, we for sure know she broke the law and put peoples lives in jeopardy, people lost their lives because of her ineptness. As an aside, have you seen the recent true stories about her girl, Huma Abedin/Mrs Tony Wiener, being the editor of a radical Muslin Journal until 2008? Huma Abedin Worked at a 'Radical Muslim Journal' : snopes.com

If he is breaking the law, go after him. I do not see the FEC going after him on foreign solicitations. Maybe you know something the rest of us dont?

You certainly cannot say Clinton's judgement on who she surrounds herself with is better than Trump's. I am not a Politifact fan, so am unconcerned about their assessment of Trump or Hillary.
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I already said they're both terrible. Attacking Hillary doesn't make Trump magically become a less incompetent failure.
 
Gaea said:
By being openly racist and turning the debates into a giant reality show. That doesn't make somebody a good president.

And if you think being a star of a failed reality TV show that makes somebody an excellent businessman, you need a reality check.

A little fun reading for you:
Donald Trump a 'reality star genius'? TV ratings tell different story - Chicago Tribune





I already said they're both terrible. Attacking Hillary doesn't make Trump magically become a less incompetent failure.
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Openly racist? I do not think he is a Black Lives Matter guy at all.

Wow, pull out all the stops, well, stop that is. You have not a clue and programmed low informed opinions are funny anyhow. And ya see, he only has to be the better of the only two choices. Its heads Trump wins, massive rump tails of Hillary and WE all lose.
 
Texas is as likely to go blue this election as California is to go red.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Go away, you are buzzing around like a lost mosquito, your lame ramblings just enough to annoy thinking folk.

Swaaaat.
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Which clearly does not and could not include you.

Sorry that you're so possessed by impotent beta-male rage and you'll be among the first to stroke out.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Openly racist? I do not think he is a Black Lives Matter guy at all.
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Are you seriously disputing this? Even after he stated that a judge couldn't do his job correctly because of his heritage?
 
DarkWizard12 said:
So, I'm creating this poll as both a texan voter, and an admittedly right-wing conservative who voted for my good-ole boy Cruz in the primary. Everyone who remembers me back when I was more active, knows that I am no centrist by any means. That being said, from day one I was nothing but horrified by the possibility that trump could lead the republican party and be the republican president. In a year in which people were tired of a democrat presidency, there is only one way the republican party could screw it up and they actually did it.

That being said, I am seriously entertaining the idea of voting for hillary, not because I have "quit" being a conservative, but that as a conservative, I am also an institutionalist as well as a constitutionalist, and I feel that when faced between the devil I know and the devil I don't, the choice is obvious. I am seriously considering the idea of voting for hillary because we've had a clinton presidency before and she is not near as liberal-minded as she is made out to be(she used to work for barry goldwater). My thought is to vote for her now, and hold her feet to the fire later on.

Thing is, everytime i see these polls from texas in the media and these democrat strategist exclaiming their plan to finally "Turn Texas Blue" because "people just love Hillary and love Obama and joining the Big Blue Firewall *insert circle jerking motions*" I just want to yell at the screen. Texas isn't voting for a generic republican in a "normal" race. Trump is a RINO asshole who has done everything he could to piss off Texans, including the very texan cities and minority electorates who normally vote republican.

I may actually end up in a situation in which, because of sheer political calculation, rooting for the loss of whichever person I end up voting for. If I vote for trump, I'll want him to lose on election day, because he is a RINO "New York Values" Asshole. If I vote for clinton, I'll want her to lose because well....she's clinton, she's a democrat.

But I don't expect my situation, while not unique, to be common enough to switch a solid state. So I make this poll, if Hillary Clinton wins Texas, would this be seen more as an endorsement of clinton, or a rejection of Trump? Or a bit of both/other situation that makes this election unique.
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As I said in other posts, a vote for Clinton endorses her ideology. Johnson will be on the Texas ballot.
 
Gaea said:
Are you seriously disputing this? Even after he stated that a judge couldn't do his job correctly because of his heritage?
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Are you saying that no judges can be racist, biased or influenced by their race, gender, ect...?

From: Sotomayor's comment about Latina women versus white men | PolitiFact


How about now we go to Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor for a roundabout answer to that question. Here is what she said back in a speech from 2001, ""I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." Sotomayor thinks "that one’s sex, race and ethnicity ought to affect the decisions one renders from the bench."

"While recognizing the potential effect of individual experiences on perception, Judge (Miriam) Cedarbaum nevertheless believes that judges must transcend their personal sympathies and prejudices and aspire to achieve a greater degree of fairness and integrity based on the reason of law," Sotomayor said. "Although I agree with and attempt to work toward Judge Cedarbaum's aspiration, I wonder whether achieving that goal is possible in all or even in most cases. And I wonder whether by ignoring our differences as women or men of color we do a disservice both to the law and society. Whatever the reasons why we may have different perspectives, either as some theorists suggest because of our cultural experiences or as others postulate because we have basic differences in logic and reasoning, are in many respects a small part of a larger practical question we as women and minority judges in society in general must address. I accept the thesis of a law school classmate, professor Steven Carter of Yale Law School, in his affirmative action book that in any group of human beings there is a diversity of opinion because there is both a diversity of experiences and of thought."

"I further accept that our experiences as women and people of color affect our decisions," Sotomayor said. "The aspiration to impartiality is just that — it's an aspiration because it denies the fact that we are by our experiences making different choices than others."

Justice is supposed to be blind, not see color, ethnicity, gender... but that is in theory. Practice can prove much harder for real people, Trump has a right to call attention to that.
 
Texas will stay red for the time being, don't worry.
 
Helix said:
Texas is as likely to go blue this election as California is to go red.
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So, you're saying it's a done deal then. :mrgreen:
 
DarkWizard12 said:
So, I'm creating this poll as both a texan voter, and an admittedly right-wing conservative who voted for my good-ole boy Cruz in the primary. Everyone who remembers me back when I was more active, knows that I am no centrist by any means. That being said, from day one I was nothing but horrified by the possibility that trump could lead the republican party and be the republican president. In a year in which people were tired of a democrat presidency, there is only one way the republican party could screw it up and they actually did it.

That being said, I am seriously entertaining the idea of voting for hillary, not because I have "quit" being a conservative, but that as a conservative, I am also an institutionalist as well as a constitutionalist, and I feel that when faced between the devil I know and the devil I don't, the choice is obvious. I am seriously considering the idea of voting for hillary because we've had a clinton presidency before and she is not near as liberal-minded as she is made out to be(she used to work for barry goldwater). My thought is to vote for her now, and hold her feet to the fire later on.

Thing is, everytime i see these polls from texas in the media and these democrat strategist exclaiming their plan to finally "Turn Texas Blue" because "people just love Hillary and love Obama and joining the Big Blue Firewall *insert circle jerking motions*" I just want to yell at the screen. Texas isn't voting for a generic republican in a "normal" race. Trump is a RINO asshole who has done everything he could to piss off Texans, including the very texan cities and minority electorates who normally vote republican.

I may actually end up in a situation in which, because of sheer political calculation, rooting for the loss of whichever person I end up voting for. If I vote for trump, I'll want him to lose on election day, because he is a RINO "New York Values" Asshole. If I vote for clinton, I'll want her to lose because well....she's clinton, she's a democrat.

But I don't expect my situation, while not unique, to be common enough to switch a solid state. So I make this poll, if Hillary Clinton wins Texas, would this be seen more as an endorsement of clinton, or a rejection of Trump? Or a bit of both/other situation that makes this election unique.
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Interesting post. I share your disappointment. However, I don't see Texas turning blue in my lifetime.
 
disneydude said:
Texas isn't turning blue in 2016....but it certainly is trending purple. I would suspect that in 2020 or 2024, Texas may emerge as a battleground state due to a couple of factors, namely increasing population of Hispanic voters and inward migration.
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I'm not ready to go there yet. I anticipate the GOP getting rolled up and down the ticket this election. However, there are a lot of smart guys in the GOP (whether you believe it or not) and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt (for now) that they can right their party.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Ahhhh, the Friday the 13th Jason annoying mosquito whispers that keep popping back up.

Swaaaaat.

Come November Texas will be in the electoral college column for Trump, next...
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I'll be sure to ask the some of the dimmer posters mourn you on the day after the election.

Do you have any friends that should be notified in advance of your upcoming stroke?
 
So it's pretty unanimous that conventional wisdom states Texas will stay blue this go around..... I'd just like to remind you all that the same conventional wisdom stated that there was no frigging way trump would get the nomination........ I'm just saying.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
When Trump beats Hillary, you can thank the rest of us.
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No matter who wins we can blame both Parties for the Worst Election ever and the Electoral College for being a bunch of idiots, we lose either way.
 
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