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Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker rooms?

Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker rooms?

  • Yes: You betcha, y'all come! Dudes welcome here!

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • No: Oh hell no! Dudes should change and shower in the Dude Locker Room.

    Votes: 22 68.8%
  • Total voters
    32
Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

We American's are overly prudish...possibly because we've over-sexualized the human body.

All these concerns about who shares public showers, bathrooms, etc. is based on fear.

Fear of arousing unwanted interest. Fear of arousing disgust leading to shame. Simple shyness, embarrassment, or envy. And of course of somehow being victimized in a public "sexual assault."

Those views seem to be mostly American, and shared by our British cousins. Not so much in the rest of Europe, Asia, and Africa.

For example:

Any traveler to Europe who has visited a bath, perused a newsstand, hung out at a beach or park on a sunny day or channel-surfed broadcast TV late at night has noticed that Europeans are more relaxed than Americans about nudity.
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Europe nudity: Brace yourself for Europe nudity - Chicago Tribune

There is nothing inherently disturbing about the naked human body. After all, we are ALL born naked and have to learn to wear clothes.

Nor is there anything inherently sexual about it, unless you fit one of the cultural body preferences, in which case be proud of it while the rest of us envy and admire you. :shrug:

As for sexes sharing bathrooms simultaneously? I've been in a number of situations at clubs, parties, etc. where this happened all the time and no one had a problem.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Aren't there 379 threads on this topic already?
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No.

Phys251 said:
Question: Is the flag below black, or white?
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You folks don't know how lucky you are that some nimrod hasn't (yet) posted the flag for Asexual Pride. Talk about booooooring-looking. Lordy! You think I'm kidding about an Asexual Pride flag, don't you? Unh-uh.


Aunt Spiker said:
But I care. If I go to my gym and walk into the locker room and see a dude with a dick I'm walking the **** out - telling someone with the expectation that my comfort matters in such a private setting - and if they say 'well he has a right to be there' then I'll promptly cancel my membership.
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The world's gone temporarily mad. I think a correction is on the way.


Henrin said:
Funny story. The first time I saw that flag and before I knew what it was for I said to a friend at the time that the flag was kind of gay. He responded by laughing and informing me that it was for gay people.
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True story: A colleague of mine, straight, married, couple of kids had some sort of weird rainbow decal on his front door at home which I politely ignored. Finally one day, curiosity overcame me and I asked him what was up with that and didn't he know what it signified these days? I don't remember any more why he had it on the door, but no, he hadn't understood, and chuckled and said that probably explained the interesting/interested looks he'd been getting from various delivery guys and such.


chuckiechan said:
I'm offended that they have stolen the rainbow.
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Yeah. I felt the same way about United Airlines appropriating Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue. But I got over it.


Captain Adverse said:
We American's are overly prudish...

All these concerns about who shares public showers, bathrooms, etc. is based on fear...

Fear of arousing unwanted interest. Fear of arousing disgust leading to shame. Simple shyness, embarrassment, or envy. And of course of somehow being victimized in a public "sexual assault."...

There is nothing inherently disturbing about the naked human body....
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Look at the dude mansplaining about women's silly fears about such things as - catch those scare quote marks now - "sexual assault."

Quelle surprise! A dude who thinks it's "prudish" that a woman might not want, say, her 13-year-old daughter to be exposed to a fine upstanding stranger dude with a dick at her health club like this one: https://genderidentitywatch.com/201...2-csklodowska-planetfitness-hrc-aclulgbt-usa/

tl;dr
linebacker-sized dude with freak fetishes has perfect legal right to be in this locker room with women and girls any time he chooses.
 
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I'm curious as to what other options the poll needs. Jane doesn't make the best threads/polls, granted, but as far as the question of this topic is concerned, the poll can afford no more options. My guess is that the cavils are merely a diversion from the respondents' inability to commit themselves to an answer to which they have a natural aversion that clashes with their ideology. In other words, cognitive dissonance.
 
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Jane said:
No. s.
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sure there are . prove otherwise .
 
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Bodhisattva said:
sure there are . prove otherwise .
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That is DP at its finest. Or at least we may say, that is quintessentially DP.

Start countin' those polls on dudes in the ladies showers in the archives, baby.

Edit: and quote me accurately in future, please.
 
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Jane said:
Start countin' those polls on dudes in the ladies showers in the archives, baby.
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I already told you how many...
 
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I don't see the problem. The question is, should males use women's shower rooms and dressing rooms? It's really a simple question with an equally simple answer. Should women be allowed to use men's shower rooms?

What are the other options you're looking for. "Only if he's a hunk?"
 
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So, who cares about female bodied women in the mens room, right?
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
A majority of women don't want a male with a penis to see them naked / dressing / changing / using the bathroom . . . whether he claims he's gay, castrated, trans, or whatever.

This 'female opinions don't align with you' is something that applies to SOME women, but not all - some women say they don't care. A smaller % of those women really don't care.

But I care. If I go to my gym and walk into the locker room and see a dude with a dick I'm walking the **** out - telling someone with the expectation that my comfort matters in such a private setting - and if they say 'well he has a right to be there' then I'll promptly cancel my membership.

Because I'm not about to flash my tits and ass to some stranger dude. I wouldn't even show myself to my own father or brother in laws in that same situation.

The only males who are ever going to see me like that are my Husband and Doctors. No one else.
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I agree, Pre-op need to not be in public locker room/shower situations. It's a matter of propriety, class, politeness and ultimately accepting there are limits to everything. If there are areas in the locker room you can change/shower in unseen, then by all means it is your duty, as a pre-op MTF (or FTM) to utilize that or stay out. POst op? Deal with it, they have every right as anyone else in there.

And this poll is garbage.
 
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yes, i identify as a woman, to deny me access to your young daughters while they use the shower/change clothing is discriminatory.
 
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Jane said:
It seems that lots of folks here think that even if you have a penis and testicles you have some peculiar human right to go commando with the ladies in formerly sex-segregated spaces like public locker rooms - whether they like it or not. And as most people understand, this isn't some weird, off-the-wall hypothetical poll question. The situation is playing out across the country right now. What's this country coming to, I ask? It's enough to make a conservative - or a liberal, libertarian or progressive - cry. Or get angry.

I'm keeping this simple, so this poll question is not about stand-alone public bathrooms, okay? We're talking about health clubs, public school locker rooms, showers. Pretty straightforward question, so there's no "other" response allowed for this particular poll. And no one can see how you voted.
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So, you're essentially just being degrading towards trans people who don't pass (sometimes, despite actually having the traits of their reassigned sex). I'm not going to bother to explain to you that a trans woman is not a men, because you seem to be allergic to medical facts, and trans people generally are people, because you seem determined to hate on these people. I just don't feel like stunning myself with the inhumanity and cruelty of some people today.

But you know what?

Let's talk about actual men for a moment.

Would I feel comfortable with mixed sex shower rooms?

Depends on the society. I can think of plenty where I would, including in some sorts of groups right in my city.

My reaction to those things is informed by my experience of the continuum of how well each of those societies have taught men to respect women, as an overall whole.

If you think male-bodied people are something women should fear, then you have work to do in your society.
 
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QuadpolarNutjob said:
yes, i identify as a woman, to deny me access to your young daughters while they use the shower/change clothing is discriminatory.
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It would be access to use the facilities, not the young women. It's acually against the law to try and get unwanted access to other people, no matter what you identify as or which room you use. Try again?
 
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People! Don't forget to vote before you leave the polling place.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
We American's are overly prudish...possibly because we've over-sexualized the human body.

All these concerns about who shares public showers, bathrooms, etc. is based on fear.

Fear of arousing unwanted interest. Fear of arousing disgust leading to shame. Simple shyness, embarrassment, or envy. And of course of somehow being victimized in a public "sexual assault."

Those views seem to be mostly American, and shared by our British cousins. Not so much in the rest of Europe, Asia, and Africa.

For example:

Europe nudity: Brace yourself for Europe nudity - Chicago Tribune

There is nothing inherently disturbing about the naked human body. After all, we are ALL born naked and have to learn to wear clothes.

Nor is there anything inherently sexual about it, unless you fit one of the cultural body preferences, in which case be proud of it while the rest of us envy and admire you. :shrug:

As for sexes sharing bathrooms simultaneously? I've been in a number of situations at clubs, parties, etc. where this happened all the time and no one had a problem.
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It's called having a sense of decency. Of having control over who sees your body and who doesn't. Or does this not matter anymore?

You know, nudists (like my dad) want to be naked for various reasons but would it be acceptable for them to push for 'everyone to no longer wears clothes' and require it? Applying it to everyone? No - the people who are 'okay' with certain things should have the right to do them within reason . . . and that right ends when it infringes on other people's rights.

I have a right to privacy in a place like a locker room.

Any talk otherwise is, in fact, facetious banalities. I honestly don't believe that all the many people who 'claim' to be okay with it (like you) - would actually be okay with it.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
It's called having a sense of decency. Of having control over who sees your body and who doesn't. Or does this not matter anymore?

I have a right to privacy in a place like a locker room.

Any talk otherwise is, in fact, facetious banalities. I honestly don't believe that all the many people who 'claim' to be okay with it (like you) - would actually be okay with it.
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1. There is no such thing as privacy in a public locker room. You want privacy? Shower, change, etc., in private cubicle or some other isolated enclosed space. If you are in a locker room, or shower, or even a single sex toilet you are NOT being private.

2. I'm actually okay with it because I've been exposed to it from time to time and locale to locale throughout my life, right from back-in-the-day-USA when kids HAD to shower after physical education. I have been "exposed' to a number of situations both in the USA and in Europe where the sexes mixed in shower rooms, bathrooms, and even nude beaches.

3. Nudity has NOTHING to do with a "sense of decency," it is a state of nature. We are born naked and we have to LEARN to clothe ourselves...along which time we also develop a sense of shame because of how others view and treat us.

Now I agree it is more practical and sensible to wear clothing for all sorts of valid reasons. I also acknowledge that some people will act improperly in such situations. But to consider merely seeing someone else's privates in a shower, locker room, or toilet as inherently offensive is just prudery, not decency.

I also know that those with a true "sense of decency" will take action against anyone trying to convert a simple process like showering, sh**ing, and shaving into a sexual advance. I know I have wherever I've been in a unisex environment.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
1. There is no such thing as privacy in a public locker room. You want privacy? Shower, change, etc., in private cubicle or some other isolated enclosed space. If you are in a locker room, or shower, or even a single sex toilet you are NOT being private.

2. I'm actually okay with it because I've been exposed to it from time to time and locale to locale throughout my life, right from back-in-the-day-USA when kids HAD to shower after physical education. I have been "exposed' to a number of situations both in the USA and in Europe where the sexes mixed in shower rooms, bathrooms, and even nude beaches.

3. Nudity has NOTHING to do with a "sense of decency," it is a state of nature. We are born naked and we have to LEARN to clothe ourselves...along which time we also develop a sense of shame because of how others view and treat us.

Now I agree it is more practical and sensible to wear clothing for all sorts of valid reasons. I also acknowledge that some people will act improperly in such situations. But to consider merely seeing someone else's privates in a shower, locker room, or toilet as inherently offensive is just prudery, not decency.

I also know that those with a true "sense of decency" will take action against anyone trying to convert a simple process like showering, sh**ing, and shaving into a sexual advance. I know I have wherever I've been in a unisex environment.
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I'll just put you in the group of people who aren't the majority - and don't get it - and claim it doesn't bother them.

But this isn't same-sex concerns. This is male-female. You did not shower and change with GIRLS in school. Any straight man who says 'I'm okay with that' isn't talking with their northernmost head.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Aren't there 379 threads on this topic already?
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I think we're going for an even 4000
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
I'll just put you in the group of people who aren't the majority - and don't get it - and claim it doesn't bother them.

But this isn't same-sex concerns. This is male-female. You did not shower and change with GIRLS in school. Any straight man who says 'I'm okay with that' isn't talking with their northernmost head.
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Are you kidding me? :doh

Do you really think straight males find ALL or even MOST females sexually attractive? :roll:

Do you also think that ALL straight males (at least those older than 15) get aroused simply by SEEING a nude female?

Methinks you've been watching too many America Pie movies.

(P.S. I was talking about being exposed to nudity at an early age when I mentioned grade school.)
 
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I don't see anything wrong with the poll. Nobody has suggested any other possible answers. It is pretty much a real situation that we can face today.
 
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Jane said:
You folks don't know how lucky you are that some nimrod hasn't (yet) posted the flag for Asexual Pride. Talk about booooooring-looking. Lordy! You think I'm kidding about an Asexual Pride flag, don't you? Unh-uh.
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This dodge did not answer my question. Is the pride flag black or white?

Look at the dude mansplaining about women's silly fears about such things as - catch those scare quote marks now - "sexual assault."[/quote]

Look at a woman start a transphobic thread and then use the term "mansplaining." :roll:
 
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chuckiechan said:
I'm offended that they have stolen the rainbow.
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only perfected it
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Are you kidding me? :doh

Do you really think straight males find ALL or even MOST females sexually attractive? :roll:

Do you also think that ALL straight males (at least those older than 15) get aroused simply by SEEING a nude female?

Methinks you've been watching too many America Pie movies.

(P.S. I was talking about being exposed to nudity at an early age when I mentioned grade school.)
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And now men don't find women sexually appealing? Now that's going to be your argument, here?

:lamo

"I don't find women sexually appealing. I just don't feel they have a right to privacy from straight males like me in a locker room."

:roll:
 
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Henrin said:
Funny story. The first time I saw that flag and before I knew what it was for I said to a friend at the time that the flag was kind of gay. He responded by laughing and informing me that it was for gay people. :lol:
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it's actually not funny at all, rather utterly predictable, seeing as it's surely the only insult in your back of tricks back then (still?). Just another reminder that your age group is the last that's completely consumed by hateful little ****s
 
Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

Why is there no poll option for "I really don't care"
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
And now men don't find women sexually appealing? Now that's going to be your argument, here?

"I don't find women sexually appealing. I just don't feel they have a right to privacy from straight males like me in a locker room."

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LOL Feel free to misquote me all you wish. You may get laughs but you don't win any arguments that way...

Nor by ad hominem diversions either. They only prove one has no real argument. :shrug:

I personally find it amusing that any woman would actually think that ALL straight men would be attracted to, or aroused by her simply because she is female.

While I may buy into the old saying "A man goes out hoping to get laid, while a woman goes out knowing she can," I add the caveat that's only true if she accepts the attentions and intentions of that percentage of men who find her to their taste. :coffeepap:
 
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