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Can Trump win?

Can Trump win?

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Deuce said:
Out of context?

Oh do tell what the context of "bleeding out of her whereever" was.
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Yes, out of context for the little minded minions to feed on.

Here is the full transcript of his comment where he included some of the words feed to you.


“Well, I just don’t respect her as a journalist. I have no respect for her. I don’t think she’s very good. I think she’s highly overrated. But when I came out there—you know, what am I doing, I’m not getting paid for this—I go out there, and you know, they start saying lift up your arm if you’re gonna…

And you know I didn’t know there’d be 24 million people. I knew it was going to be a big crowd, because I get big crowds, I get ratings. They call me the ratings machine.

And she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. You know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. In my opinion, she was off base.

And by the way, not in my opinion—in the opinion of hundreds of thousands of people on Twitter because it has been a brutal day. In one way, a great day for Fox. In another way, in the Twittersphere, it’s been very bad, because she’s been very badly criticized. (Crosstalk) Hey, she’s a lightweight. I couldn’t care less about her. In fact, you’re competing against her and I’m doing your show.​

So when "blood coming out of ones mouth, smoke out of ones ears, is a common phrase, why did the left assume he only specifically meant her vagina?

How absurd can the media become. At the time, I wouldn't have believed it would get worse.
 
ocean515 said:
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Yes, corruption has been an issue. We have a political party selling favors to China.

The problem is getting the money out. How do you counter massive donations from Labor Unions who have spent $10's of millions buying influence from the very legislators who would be tasked with addressing the problem?

For the most part, at least the money is spent domestically. Think of all the people employed to promote and spin.
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Look at the rules Canada has. And they are strict.
 
JANFU said:
Look at the rules Canada has. And they are strict.
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Perhaps it's a bit easier to oversee the political process in the whole of Canada. We have a hard enough time with California, and it has a larger population.
 
ocean515 said:
Yes, out of context for the little minded minions to feed on.

Here is the full transcript of his comment where he included some of the words feed to you.


“Well, I just don’t respect her as a journalist. I have no respect for her. I don’t think she’s very good. I think she’s highly overrated. But when I came out there—you know, what am I doing, I’m not getting paid for this—I go out there, and you know, they start saying lift up your arm if you’re gonna…

And you know I didn’t know there’d be 24 million people. I knew it was going to be a big crowd, because I get big crowds, I get ratings. They call me the ratings machine.

And she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. You know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. In my opinion, she was off base.

And by the way, not in my opinion—in the opinion of hundreds of thousands of people on Twitter because it has been a brutal day. In one way, a great day for Fox. In another way, in the Twittersphere, it’s been very bad, because she’s been very badly criticized. (Crosstalk) Hey, she’s a lightweight. I couldn’t care less about her. In fact, you’re competing against her and I’m doing your show.​

So when "blood coming out of ones mouth, smoke out of ones ears, is a common phrase, why did the left assume he only specifically meant her vagina?

How absurd can the media become. At the time, I wouldn't have believed it would get worse.
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Sure, that's a phrase except it's not what he said.
 
Trump can win if he can avoid alienating minorities and can stir enough resentment against the establishment. However, Clinton is far more likely to win
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps it's a bit easier to oversee the political process in the whole of Canada. We have a hard enough time with California, and it has a larger population.
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Oh it can be done. And the outcry would be loud.
 
JANFU said:
Oh it can be done. And the outcry would be loud.
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Although I consider myself the eternal optimist, I don't share your optimism it can be done. The loud outcry carries dollar signs, and politicians do not have the DNA to ignore the sound.

How else can politicians enter Washington financially comfortable, but leave multi-millionaires? Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yes, Bush in 1992 was the polar opposite of Bush in 1988, which contributed to his loss. I also remember that stupid Dukakis picture. But why is it I can't help but think, on his worst day, Dukakis wasn't half as ignorant as Trump is on most days.
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When I think of that picture I still chuckle, it really was that bad. Trump has to be the most immature with his 5th grade schoolyard bullying tactics and he 8 year old name calling than any presidential candidate I can ever remember. Being as old as I am that is quite a lot.

I have always had the feeling regardless of who ran for the presidency prior to this year that they had the good of the country in their hearts. Some of their policies didn't work the way they thought, but they tried to do what they was best for the country. Yes, that includes Nixon. Way too many people let the R and the D influence them as to how they think of any president or candidate for that matter. Its a partisan thing. Now this year, I don't have that feeling. My gut is telling that regardless of wins, this country will suffer tremendously.
 
JANFU said:
Found it.

Trump tax plan seen as boon for rich, question mark for others | Financial Post
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Here. This is more detailed. I was basing my comment on this. Not much, but something at least: Details and Analysis of Donald Trump?s Tax Plan | Tax Foundation
It might anger those envious of those doing better than themselves, but it seems like a much better deal for the poor than the Clinton plan. So, yes you can hate the rich and refuse the poor the improvement, because you prefer harming the objects of your envy the poor be damned.
 
I have been rooting for Donald Trump since the day he said he was running for President. Got more and more excited about his candidacy through the primaries. Reveled in his attacks, misleading statements, and outright lies. I cheered at every voter group he insulted and disparaged. Women, Mexicans, Blacks, Disabled, Immigrants, Muslims, gave sanction for his supporters to commit violence against voters protesting his policies and this week, gave sanction to NRA extremists aka home grown terrorists to assassinate Hillary Clinton if elected President. .

He IS a self proclaimed political outsider. Also an amateur political candidate. He hijacked the GOP by winning the primary.

I rooted for him every day simply because he in un-electable. I am a Hillary Clinton supporter. Romney had to cater to the fringes of the mainstream electorate by catering to the Tea Party in order to win the primary. By doing so, he made himself unelectable by the mainstream voters. Trump is so far off base he too is unelectable. Even respected members of his own party have abandoned him. The GOP Super Pac money
is not flowing to Donald but to Congressional Candidates to keep whoever wins the Presidency in check.

Yeah, he has 45% of American Registered Voters on his side. Just remember, 50% of the population has an IQ of 100 or LESS. Hillary does well with college educated voters. Connect those dots folks.
 
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clownboy said:
And if that were his only demographic you'd be correct. However, you aren't and it isn't.
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it pretty is the only demographic he wins.... so, I am correct.

Bloomberg Politics National Poll - Bloomberg Politics

"...Trump does best among white men with no college degree (76 percent), evangelicals (59 percent), the non-college educated (52 percent), married people (50 percent), those in the South (50 percent), and men (48 percent)....."

I don't think you can win the race when 51% of likely voters say they will not vote for you...

That may be the ugliest statement of support in the history of American politics.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ographic-path-is-far-worse-than-mitt-romneys/


Trump has no shot at this.... Your next president is a woman.

The faster the Republicans abandon the Trump that more likely they it is to keep the Senate. While they are at it, it the Republicans were smart, they should move quickly to affirm Garland before Obama takes his name off the table.
 
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I voted no. Before the GOP Convention and all that has transpired since, I'd have voted differently. Trump's insistence on making a total ass of himself over and over with his lack of focus on meaningful issues and personal attacks against people who are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, has created at atmosphere in which rational independent voters in the swing states will not rally to his side. Hell, he's slowly dismantling the support from his own party. He's only ever really appealed to his own base......which everyone knows is not enough to get him even close. He's made no headway with disillusioned Bernie supporters, nor with moderates or the old Reagan Democrats. He's ostracized women and the Hispanic vote and has made no effort to appeal to Libertarians.

He needs SOMEONE besides his own base to win. Someone explain to me exactly WHO he plans to win over before November and HOW? Also, at what point will he actually begin to try and accomplish this? His ground game is weak, and has been from the start.
 
He's going to be "so presidential when the time comes, people will be bored with it...." The "most presidential since Abraham Lincoln even....." His words. And as the rest of the world anxiously waits........:popcorn2: :lol:

 
FluffyNinja said:
He's going to be "so presidential when the time comes, people will be bored with it...." As "presidential as Abraham Lincoln even....." His words. And as the rest of the world anxiously waits........:popcorn2: :lol:

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Donald Trump =/= Abraham Lincoln.

Those two aren't even close to being comparable.

Trump's more comparable to a pile of garbage.
 
TheGoverness said:
Donald Trump =/= Abraham Lincoln.

Those two aren't even close to being comparable.

Trump's more comparable to a pile of garbage.
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Ha! The really sad part is, Abe only had a first grade education....yet he was light years ahead of Trump both intellectually and in mental maturity. This says something....not sure what....but it definitely says SOMETHING.
 
He cannot win. Using his current "strategy" he can capture about 40% of the popular vote (give or take, especially when you include Gary Johnson). The other 60% simply will not vote for him at this point. Even if he does a complete 180, he's already in too deep and there's not enough time to undo the damage.

The only slim chance he has is if GJ is in the debate and pulls more votes from Clinton. But given the unity the Dems are showing, which contrasts sharply from the Repubs, If GJ does pull votes, it'll likely be from the GOP.
 
Although it is by no means over, and there is plenty of time left for an external shock to shake up the race Trump's path to victory is looking pretty narrow electorally. There have now been several polls in a row in each of Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania showing Clinton with a near double digit lead. Those states and the rest of the Kerry states, (even accounting for a possible loss of an EV in Maine) are enough Clinton to win the election without Iowa, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, or Florida. Considering those five states can at best be described as tossups for Trump, the electoral math is just difficult for him, even this far out. And both campaigns are spending on Arizona and Georgia. It's just not a good sign for him.
 
Anagram said:
Although it is by no means over, and there is plenty of time left for an external shock to shake up the race Trump's path to victory is looking pretty narrow electorally. There have now been several polls in a row in each of Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania showing Clinton with a near double digit lead. Those states and the rest of the Kerry states, (even accounting for a possible loss of an EV in Maine) are enough Clinton to win the election without Iowa, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, or Florida. Considering those five states can at best be described as tossups for Trump, the electoral math is just difficult for him, even this far out. And both campaigns are spending on Arizona and Georgia. It's just not a good sign for him.
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Pity.... not much to discuss this year in the Presidential election. I make posts such as "Trump has no shot" and get very little, if any, argument the other way as even ardent Trump supporters know their battle is probably lost. This means a boring election year on DP...

I guess, much like the GOP, attention will shift to whether the Republicans can actually hold the Senate.... although, those prospects also look weak for them...
 
upsideguy said:
Pity.... not much to discuss this year in the Presidential election. I make posts such as "Trump has no shot" and get very little, if any, argument the other way as even ardent Trump supporters know their battle is probably lost. This means a boring election year on DP...

I guess, much like the GOP, attention will shift to whether the Republicans can actually hold the Senate.... although, those prospects also look weak for them...
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I really hope that you're quoting me and talking about ardent Trump supporters does not mean you confuse me for one.
 
Anagram said:
I really hope that you're quoting me and talking about ardent Trump supporters does not mean you confuse me for one.
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No, I do not. I know you are not. I was agreeing with you and furthering the conversation by saying that its a bit of a disappointment that there will not be much in the way of lively debate in this election cycle.

The 2012 race was fun to talk about here, but I see nothing to suggest that there will be much of a rational support for Trump on DP.
 
Trumps chances are somewhere between slim and none.

The hate and fear that he has used to attract supporters has ignited a firestorm of opposition.

Trump will lose in November.

Wait and see
 
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