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Photo ID to Vote - Yes or No

Photo ID to Vote - Yes or No


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Yes. There is literally no reason to not have this as a law, other than to make it easier to either commit voter fraud, or allow for illegals to vote (which they shouldn't be doing anyway, as they're not citizens). Even dirt poor hoodrats should be able to get access to some kind of photo ID easily enough, assuming they are legal citizens.

If they lack the initiative to do so? "Oh well." That's on them.
 
I didn't say a wide range of ID's, I said a wide range of government ID's meaning those government ID's where identify is actually verified before issuing.


State Drivers License
State Non-Driver ID
Military ID
Military Retiree/Dependent ID
Veterans Affairs ID
Passport

...


Those types of things. An employer ID from McDonalds or a School ID? Not so much.


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If the ID lacks address or is not exlusive then it is ueeless to prevent voter fraud by multiple voting.
 
No.. not photo id.... it can be made so much of a hassle to get the id that it's a proven deterrent or those of little means. More people are being denied the right to vote than there is fraud making the cure worse than the disease. On the other hand... we have the technical knowledge where finger print identification would wipe out fraud and be absolute id for everyone for free.
 
Is voting a right?
 
I didn't say a wide range of ID's, I said a wide range of government ID's meaning those government ID's where identify is actually verified before issuing.


State Drivers License
State Non-Driver ID
Military ID
Military Retiree/Dependent ID
Veterans Affairs ID
Passport
...


Those types of things. An employer ID from McDonalds or a School ID? Not so much.



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If the ID lacks address or is not exlusive then it is ueeless to prevent voter fraud by multiple voting.



The address component is part of the voter registration process when you get registered to vote in a given precinct.

When a person registers to vote in a given precinct, the clerks processing the registration should be required to (a) verify address, (b) verify citizenship, and (c) verify that the right to vote has not been removed via due process (or that it has been restored if previously removed).

The ID at the time of voting is to verify identity, not eligibility.



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Surprisingly, the poll seems to be matching national polls. It's something honest Democrats and conservatives seem to agree on.

Personally, I would be happier if the discussion were about how to do it fairly rather than with the Democrats demanding their traditional right to election fraud.
 
So in other words absolutely no example of Democrat-controlled state governments creating voter id laws that "coincidentally" target exclusively Republican demographics, and in fact all you have are some Fox News/Breitbart bull**** stories targeted to easily frightened white people over the scaaaaarrrrry negroes. That's about what I figured.

If a Democratic state did what these Republican states did I would have the decency to condemn what was an obvious, undemocratic power grab more appropriate to some backwater Banana republic. Point is, have some goddamn decency. Scoring some little victory isn't worth sacrificing all of your credibility.

Only continual examples of democrats advocating actions to drive away voters, unless the vote democrat, news stories that support these examples and general democratic actions to promote voter fraud.

Because you choose to ignore the truth and follow your indoctrination does not mean that these stories are not true and happening now.

The entire point here is that democrats do not want voter ID as it interferes with their fraud.

Your "credibility" on this subject is shot with your refusal to believe only what you are told by these democrats. No independent thinking or research at all. Too bad.
 
finger print identification would wipe out fraud and be absolute id for everyone for free.

I'd be fine with that. It would however require a rather large national database of everyone's fingerprints.

Now horror of horrors, imagine the CT nuts and where they'd take that notion.


"Attention everyone, before the 2020 election you must all have yourself fingerprinted by a registered government office within your state or you can not vote. Attention. Attention. We require your fingerprints to vote."

I'm sure that'd go over really well. ;)
 
The address component is part of the voter registration process when you get registered to vote in a given precinct.

When a person registers to vote in a given precinct, the clerks processing the registration should be required to (a) verify address, (b) verify citizenship, and (c) verify that the right to vote has not been removed via due process (or that it has been restored if previously removed).

The ID at the time of voting is to verify identity, not eligibility.



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If citizen Joe owns/rents residential property in multiple districts/states then what prevents Joe from registering (and voting) in each?
 
I'd be fine with that. It would however require a rather large national database of everyone's fingerprints.

Now horror of horrors, imagine the CT nuts and where they'd take that notion.


"Attention everyone, before the 2020 election you must all have yourself fingerprinted by a registered government office within your state or you can not vote. Attention. Attention. We require your fingerprints to vote."

I'm sure that'd go over really well. ;)

i think it would solve a lot of issues....and create a ton more

do you think the guys in the hood want their prints on file?

or the guys with the stills up in the missouri ozarks

there are a LOT of people that dont trust government....

if the parties (both D & R) can bus their voters to the polls, why cant they bus them to the places to get ID's

Mine is good for what, 10 years?

I have heard so many excuses over the years why people cant get ID's

I just dont get it.....
 
No.. not photo id.... it can be made so much of a hassle to get the id that it's a proven deterrent or those of little means. More people are being denied the right to vote than there is fraud making the cure worse than the disease. On the other hand... we have the technical knowledge where finger print identification would wipe out fraud and be absolute id for everyone for free.

Are one's finger prints different in each district/state in which they own/rent residential property? It is very hard to hold multiple driver's licenses but very easy to own/rent property, establish bank accounts or get pay records for work performed in multiple locations.
 
Forget all the other crap that's typically rolled into such laws.
Boil this down to it's most simplistic, and verbatim question.

Should each person who votes, in any national and/or regional election, be required to verify their identity through a state approved photo ID card?

Nothing else is being asked or inferred here. A photo ID is all I'm asking about.

Yes or no?

We already rerquire it in most states, so yes. Proving that the person voting is eligible to vote seems like common sense.
 
FREE ID's ??? :shock:

Why free? :soap



How much does a legal state approved photo ID cost? At worst it's what, $20 ? And that's good for 4 years in most places?

And I believe a photo ID should be shown each and every time somebody votes.

Its not free anyway. You pay taxes. Even poor people pay sales tax which funds elections offices. Might as well be 'free'
 
There simply is no down side to having voters show a valid ID when they show up to vote.

Nobody possessing of even a modicum of intellectual-honesty can name a reason to oppose voter ID laws.

On the other hand, plenty of intellectually-dishonest 'progressives' would have you believe that voter ID laws unfairly discriminate against minorities.

I reject that argument outright.
1. It's insulting to the intelligence of all minorities
2. It's insulting to the intelligence of everyone else involved in the discussion
and
3. It's simply a pathway to voter fraud, period.
;)
 
If citizen Joe owns/rents residential property in multiple districts/states then what prevents Joe from registering (and voting) in each?


What's to prevent it now?


Oh wait. it's against the law.

For example Virginia Code, Title 42, Chapter 10, § 24.2-1004 makes it a felony to vote in more than once in the same election. (§ 24.2-1004. Illegal voting and registrations)




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Would a drivers license, state I.d card, college i.d. Card, or passport be sufficient?

College ID's should not be allowed. If you are an out of state student you could potentially vote twice. Once in the state you are going to college and once in the state where you are from. Some goes for snowbirds. State drivers licenses can be issued in some states to illegal aliens.

State ID cards (which in most cases are free), enhanced driver's license, a passport card and passports should be sufficient.
 
So in other words absolutely no example of Democrat-controlled state governments creating voter id laws that "coincidentally" target exclusively Republican demographics, and in fact all you have are some Fox News/Breitbart bull**** stories targeted to easily frightened white people over the scaaaaarrrrry negroes. That's about what I figured.

If a Democratic state did what these Republican states did I would have the decency to condemn what was an obvious, undemocratic power grab more appropriate to some backwater Banana republic. Point is, have some goddamn decency. Scoring some little victory isn't worth sacrificing all of your credibility.

The inaction by the Eric Holder Department of Justice and this administration over a clear violation of voting laws and has been filmed of members of The New Black Panther party intimating white voters and has been totally ignored by democrats. Is that example enough?
I doubt you and your irk could care less that things like that do happen.
 
The inaction by the Eric Holder Department of Justice and this administration over a clear violation of voting laws and has been filmed of members of The New Black Panther party intimating white voters and has been totally ignored by democrats. Is that example enough?
I doubt you and your irk could care less that things like that do happen.

That argument must have worked great in the courts. I can't believe they shot down Republican state laws "coincidentally" targeting only those demographics known to vote Democrat after hearing your argument.
 
Nothing - thus the attempts to change the law. How would VA know if one also voted in MD, DC or any other state?


It's illegal to vote more than once and it's a felony - that's "Nothing"?


How do they know now?


You seem to be confusing voter registration, with showing identify when casting a vote.


Is this by mistake or on purpose?



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It's illegal to vote more than once and it's a felony - that's "Nothing"?


How do they know now?


You seem to be confusing voter registration, with showing identify when casting a vote.


Is this by mistake or on purpose?



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You seem to think that different ID would (should?) be required to register than to vote.
 
You seem to think that different ID would (should?) be required to register than to vote.


Oh absolutely I do.


Why? Because registering to vote and casting a vote are two different actions with two different purposes.

In my State the requirements to register to vote are:
1. Be a US citizen
2. Be 18 years old by Election Day, Nov 8
3. Live at an address in Virginia
4. If convicted of a felony, not be in jail, on probation, or on parole; and have had your right to vote restored by the state
5. Not currently judged incompetent by a court
6. Not claim the right to vote in another state​

The documents provided at registration are to prove eligibility to vote and include proof of citizenship, proof of residency, and (if a felon) that your franchise has been restored.

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ID at the polls a different function - simply to show proof of identity.




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