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Torrenting Movies and games: Theft or no?

Is torrenting/file sharing theft?

  • No, there is no loss thus nothing stolen.

    Votes: 6 12.0%

  • Yes, it's theft from the IP holder and content creator

    Votes: 30 60.0%

  • Other - Please post below.

    Votes: 14 28.0%
  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
NO1 said:
Nonsense.
There is a deal between the creator and the public, the creator is creating for the public and in exchange we give him temporary monopoly for the using his art in order to give him incentive to do it. After a period of time this art became for the public domain. So when you buy this art there are certain things that you must not do (copyrights laws) but also the creator can't prevent you from doing a fair use of the art.

You can play the dumb but you know very well you can't make 1000 copy of a book and then sell it for half price because you are violating the deal above (copyright), and of course you can still play the dumb and say - I didn't agree to any of this (I didn't agree to follow the traffic rules but they still apply on me), but that part of the deal and if you don't agree with it than don't buy the art.
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No, the creator of the product does business with the government. No one else is involved and no else's opinions or inputs are asked for or allowed.
 
Henrin said:
No, the creator of the product does business with the government. No one else is involved and no else's opinions or inputs are asked for or allowed.
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Still playing the dumb...
 
NO1 said:
Nonsense.
There is a deal between the creator and the public, the creator is creating for the public and in exchange we give him temporary monopoly for the using his art in order to give him incentive to do it. After a period of time this art became for the public domain. So when you buy this art there are certain things that you must not do (copyrights laws) but also the creator can't prevent you from doing a fair use of the art.

You can play the dumb but you know very well you can't make 1000 copy of a book and then sell it for half price because you are violating the deal above (copyright), and of course you can still play the dumb and say - I didn't agree to any of this (I didn't agree to follow the traffic rules but they still apply on me), but that part of the deal and if you don't agree with it than don't buy the art.
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This is a common misconception. The public domain laws have been abused by companies like Disney to the point where things are often forever in the domain of the creator. Also, the creator is not creating things for the public, they are creating things for themselves to make money on. Which is no issue, but don't pretend most creators are doing things out of the goodness of their hearts. Its an entire capitalistic part of society now. Has been for a very long time.
 
ajn678 said:
This is a common misconception. The public domain laws have been abused by companies like Disney to the point where things are often forever in the domain of the creator.
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I already addressed that -
Absolutely right, I didn't say otherwise, but I do think some companies are abusing the laws regarding copyright in order to minimize the Fair use of the art and maximize profits.
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Also, the creator is not creating things for the public, they are creating things for themselves to make money on. Which is no issue, but don't pretend most creators are doing things out of the goodness of their hearts. Its an entire capitalistic part of society now. Has been for a very long time.
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Every creator has is own interests but the final goal of the copyright laws is to make the art for the public domain.
 
Renae said:
It's okay, you made it clear torrenting and sharing movies is just like lending a friend a copy of a movie you have. No big deal. **** the original content creators, you got "MINES!"
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So you have never used a VCR or digital recorder to record a movie or TV show? You have never used a cassette tape or some other recording device to record a song off the radio or some other music device? Are you saying you never lent a friend or relative a video game, VHS/Betmax tape,DVD or Bluray disc or music cd? Nor have you given your relatives or friends your old video games, VHS/Betamax tapes, DVd or bluray disc or CDs?
 
jamesrage said:
So you have never used a VCR or digital recorder to record a movie or TV show? You have never used a cassette tape or some other recording device to record a song off the radio or some other music device? Are you saying you never lent a friend or relative a video game, VHS/Betmax tape,DVD or Bluray disc or music cd? Nor have you given your relatives or friends your old video games, VHS/Betamax tapes, DVd or bluray disc or CDs?
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Whatever you need to justify your theft and feel better about yourself...
 
Renae said:
Whatever you need to justify your theft and feel better about yourself...
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If you are going to use a word then you should actually know what it means first. Copying is not theft. Lending people your old media is not theft.


Theft Overview - FindLaw
The term theft is used widely to refer to crimes involving the taking of a person's property without their permission. But theft has a very broad legal meaning which may encompass more than one category, and multiple degrees, of crimes. Theft is often defined as the unauthorized taking of property from another with the intent to permanently deprive them of it. Within this definition lie two key elements:

1) a taking of someone else's property; and

2) the requisite intent to deprive the victim of the property permanently.
 
jamesrage said:
If you are going to use a word then you should actually know what it means first. Copying is not theft. Lending people your old media is not theft.


Theft Overview - FindLaw
The term theft is used widely to refer to crimes involving the taking of a person's property without their permission. But theft has a very broad legal meaning which may encompass more than one category, and multiple degrees, of crimes. Theft is often defined as the unauthorized taking of property from another with the intent to permanently deprive them of it. Within this definition lie two key elements:

1) a taking of someone else's property; and

2) the requisite intent to deprive the victim of the property permanently.
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I can't believe that people still insist that the dishonest equivocation of copyright infringement to theft has any validity.
 
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