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"Lone wolf" status?

Is the "Lone wolf" descibed in Poist #1 part of said group?

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Harry Guerrilla said:
The argument I'm trying to make is that you can't nix it out.
There have been way too many instances, historically, of otherwise common or decent people doing horribly, awful things.
That would be a whole lot of mentally ill people.
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we have to attempt to nix it out...we can't attach "buddy" to some group he had no attachment to, we have to understand what ACTUALLY happened not just guess, it has to be clinical

buddy was weird he could not interact with others, we need to figure out how this happens, why it happens

we simply have no choice
 
_Sal said:
how is saying he was mentally ill a cop out....if so then saying he belonged to a group that he didn't is actually the cop out....that is throwing up our hands and doing nothing
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That's backward. Mental illness suggests randomness and unpredictability. Adherence to a group reveals known goals and is better to assess and plan against.
 
_Sal said:
we have to attempt to nix it out...we can't attach "buddy" to some group he had no attachment to, we have to understand what ACTUALLY happened not just guess, it has to be clinical

buddy was weird he could not interact with others, we need to figure out how this happens, why it happens

we simply have no choice
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I think it's often wrongly directed.
Normal people can come up with poor justifications and poor reasoning, that overrides cultural norms like "don't kill people."
 
radcen said:
That's backward.
Mental illness suggests randomness and unpredictabilit
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y. Adherence to a group reveals known goals and is better to assess and plan against.
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and sometimes that is actually the case...random and unpredictable...that is exactly what they are discussing on TV now...and that is the problem we are dealing with
 
When Dylan Roof shot up the church house, did you blame Roof, or blame white supremacy?

When Robert Dear shot up Planned Parenthood, did you blame Dear, or the pro-lifers?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I think it's often wrongly directed.
Normal people can come up with poor justifications and poor reasoning, that overrides cultural norms like "don't kill people."
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absolutely, normal people can come up with poor justifications and poor reasoning...look at people in other threads right now who think we should nuke the middle east...innocents sacrificed due to their fear and so the hate and fear grow
 
_Sal said:
absolutely, normal people can come up with poor justifications and poor reasoning...look at people in other threads right now who think we should nuke the middle east...innocents sacrificed due to their fear and so the hate and fear grow
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Mental illness claims, to me, come off as mentall illness -> we can cure illnesses -> we can gain control.
Humans love to find a way to perceive control, when often there is no way to control.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Mental illness claims, to me, come off as mentall illness -> we can cure illnesses -> we can gain control.
Humans love to find a way to perceive control, when often there is no way to control.
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I see it the other way... mental illness --> we can't control it or truly cure it, it just "is" --> hence nothing that happens is our fault.

I see it as a way to wash our hands of the whole thing.
 
radcen said:
I see it the other way... mental illness --> we can't control it or truly cure it, it just "is" --> hence nothing that happens is our fault.

I see it as a way to wash our hands of the whole thing.
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That can also, possibly be true.
Good add, something to think about.

I think we both agree that some claims of mental illness are just scapegoating.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Mental illness claims, to me, come off as mentall illness -> we can cure illnesses -> we can gain control.
Humans love to find a way to perceive control, when often there is no way to control.
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as of yet mental illness can not be cured...no one has ever claimed that

we can gain control to a degree, drugs help but we are a long way from curing anything

we have to look at this and find a way

France has experienced attacks repeatedly they are very vulnerable

this guy didn't even belong to a mosque....that is important...it has to be fact we can't just assume

so far 84 people are dead and more will die
 
_Sal said:
as of yet mental illness can not be cured...no one has ever claimed that

we can gain control to a degree, drugs help but we are a long way from curing anything

we have to look at this and find a way

France has experienced attacks repeatedly they are very vulnerable

this guy didn't even belong to a mosque....that is important...it has to be fact we can't just assume

so far 84 people are dead and more will die
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I understand.
I'm not saying there is a cure but that the thought it can/could be cured.

The broader point is that someone can be otherwise normal but justify doing horrible, nasty things.
There's no prerequisite to have a mental illness, be officially joined with a thing, just a belief is enough sometimes.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I understand.
I'm not saying there is a cure but that the thought it can/could be cured.

The broader point is that someone can be otherwise normal but justify doing horrible, nasty things.
There's no prerequisite to have a mental illness,
be officially joined with a thing, just a belief is enough sometimes
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absolutely, people who are isolated and marginalized and mentally ill are great recruits

but most people who are mentally ill are not dangerous but all terrorists are mentally ill in one way or another
 
_Sal said:
absolutely, people who are isolated and marginalized and mentally ill are great recruits

but most people who are mentally ill are not dangerous but all terrorists are mentally ill in one way or another
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I disagree with the latter.
Most terrorists are not mentally ill, they're completely cognizant.
 
I say yes, but not the terrorist group that ultimately takes responsibility for the act, but of the religion upon which the terrorist group is based.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Why would it be a mental illness though?
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because anyone who is sane does not mow babies down in the street

anyone who is sane can not emotionally handle the killing of others in a random manner

France has huge areas of isolated Muslim ghettos...they need to address this problem...they have not

separatism never works, never has, never will people have to integrate, isolation breeds hate
 
_Sal said:
because anyone who is sane does not mow babies down in the street

anyone who is sane can not emotionally handle the killing of others in a random manner

France has huge areas of isolated Muslim ghettos...they need to address this problem...they have not

separatism never works, never has, never will people have to integrate, isolation breeds hate
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I disagree.
Think about instances of conventional war, like carpet bombing, artillery shelling, etc.
I'd say most of these soldiers know, well ahead of time that they'll incidentally kill children and other innocents, yet they do it anyway.
Historically we'd have armies murder everyone in an entire city/area.

I don't think they were mentally ill, but they were completely sane, just often wrong.
 
_Sal said:
because anyone who is sane does not mow babies down in the street

anyone who is sane can not emotionally handle the killing of others in a random manner

France has huge areas of isolated Muslim ghettos...they need to address this problem...they have not

separatism never works, never has, never will people have to integrate, isolation breeds hate
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Sane has several meanings.
Mental illness however means something, medically speaking, and people either have it or they don't. You can commit acts of murder while being medically sane.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I disagree.
Think about instances of conventional war, like carpet bombing, artillery shelling, etc.
I'd say most of these soldiers know, well ahead of time that they'll incidentally kill children and other innocents, yet they do it anyway.
Historically we'd have armies murder everyone in an entire city/area.

I don't think they were mentally ill, but they were completely sane, just often wrong.
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and those people are charged with war crimes

it is not acceptable to society to knowingly kill innocents even during times of war

even under orders
 
British law requires for an insanity defence that your degree of mental illness must be such that you are unaware of what you're doing, or if you are aware, that you don't know, because of the illness, that what you're doing is wrong. Broadly.
You can murder and be sane. Most are.
 
Sounds rather like a transterrorist. I look like a terrorist, sort of, and I feel like a terrorist, I think, so therefor you have to believe I'm a terrorist and treat me like a terrorist.
 
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