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Possible fix to rioting?

Would This Reduce Rioting?

  • Absolutley, Do It Now

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • No Way, Not Playing Fair

    Votes: 12 66.7%

  • Other, explained in thread

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .
ttwtt78640 said:
Are you kidding me? If an adult member of your immediate family (or household) commits a crime should that in any way be considered your (or your minor children's) fault?
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Ok as I have already stated, let it only apply to them, now what is your answer?
 
Casper said:
Was thinking how do we deal with rioters, heck some travel long distances to attend a protest which they help turn into a riot. So how about this:
If someone is arrested due to rioting and convicted, not protesting that is different, then they and their immediate family (living in the same home) lose All Government Assistance. No Welfare, no Food Stamps, no assistance for a term of 5 years, no exceptions. Think that would have an impact or just make some even crazier?
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And, exactly what , if any, good, is done .. You hate the rioters , maybe we all do , but revenge ..makes us no better .. We must find out WHY and fix the problem .
Craziness ... man does not naturally behave in this manner ..Serious problems exist and these are not being rectified .
 
earthworm said:
And, exactly what , if any, good, is done .. You hate the rioters , maybe we all do , but revenge ..makes us no better .. We must find out WHY and fix the problem .
Craziness ... man does not naturally behave in this manner ..Serious problems exist and these are not being rectified .
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Hate? Nope. There should be consequences to ones actions especially criminal actions. So take the persons welfare away for 5 years, part of their punishment and hey maybe they will be too busy trying to make money to riot in the future.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I seriously doubt your proposal would survive court challenge.
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You do not have a right to the receipt of social safety net benefits. I think that, so long as the loss was limited to the individual, that this would hold up.
 
Casper said:
Ok as I have already stated, let it only apply to them, now what is your answer?
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That, IMHO, changes your proposal to be - would adding a (5 year?) restriction on (federal?) "safety net" use to any other sentence, help to deter morons from rioting? I doubt it.
 
Casper said:
Why not? Don't actions have consequences these days, especially Illegal actions?
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Yes but I don't think you could legally extend a punishment to the entire household on the basis of the actions of one individual. Why not just arrest and prosecute the rioter?
 
Casper said:
Hate? Nope. There should be consequences to ones actions especially criminal actions. So take the persons welfare away for 5 years, part of their punishment and hey maybe they will be too busy trying to make money to riot in the future.
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Here , I see not an iota of compassion nor love, nor understanding ..Revenge ? yes and worse yet you include the family ..
The thing is, we have allowed a situation to become so bad that people riot ... People do not riot because they enjoy this activity .. They riot as no-one listens, no one does anything ..Programs, welfare ..NOT the entire solution ..
We need to improve our attitudes .
 
Casper said:
Ok as I have already stated, let it only apply to them, now what is your answer?
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If it's a single parent with 4 kids on food stamps, how exactly do you make it only apply to them? Cut the benefit from family of 5 to 4? They will still benefit from it.
 
Casper said:
Hate? Nope. There should be consequences to ones actions especially criminal actions. So take the persons welfare away for 5 years, part of their punishment and hey maybe they will be too busy trying to make money to riot in the future.
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The whole problem is that it comes off as petty vindictiveness, whether or not you mean it as such.
Want to see more and probably worse riots, go ahead with it.
 
americanwoman said:
If it's a single parent with 4 kids on food stamps, how exactly do you make it only apply to them? Cut the benefit from family of 5 to 4? They will still benefit from it.
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I already said make it apply to them alone. Now if they have 4 kids what on earth are they doing Rioting? Maybe such a law would stop them from doing and if not and caught their actions were their choice and will have to live with the consequences.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The whole problem is that it comes off as petty vindictiveness, whether or not you mean it as such.
Want to see more and probably worse riots, go ahead with it.
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You think so, sounds like you are condoning rioting, meaning there are no consequences to looting and burning down businesses, wrong message.
 
Casper said:
You think so, sounds like you are condoning rioting, meaning there are no consequences to looting and burning down businesses, wrong message.
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"Jump, to conclusions" the game.

No there should be consequences, jail time, fines and restitution is usually the application.
Probably best to keep it that way.
 
earthworm said:
Here , I see not an iota of compassion nor love, nor understanding ..Revenge ? yes and worse yet you include the family ..
The thing is, we have allowed a situation to become so bad that people riot ... People do not riot because they enjoy this activity .. They riot as no-one listens, no one does anything ..Programs, welfare ..NOT the entire solution ..
We need to improve our attitudes .
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Oh we need to change our attitudes towards rioters? Ok, I will go with what the Korean business owners did, stand on top of their business with an AR and protect their business, yes, that will be much better.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
"Jump, to conclusions" the game.

No there should be consequences, jail time, fines and restitution is usually the application.
Probably best to keep it that way.
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Rarely does that happen.
 
Casper said:
I already said make it apply to them alone. Now if they have 4 kids what on earth are they doing Rioting? Maybe such a law would stop them from doing and if not and caught their actions were their choice and will have to live with the consequences.
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Again, if you make it apply to them alone and they are receiving food stamps for a family of five, how exactly do you make a law taking away their benefit that applies only to them?

It doesn't matter their intentions on why they are not at home with their children or if such a law would deter them as we are discussing the prosecution and punishment of a person who has already rioted.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes but I don't think you could legally extend a punishment to the entire household on the basis of the actions of one individual. Why not just arrest and prosecute the rioter?
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Often receipt of individual benefits is based on ones' dependents. I don't think you can really untangle punishing that individual without effecting the family, in any case.
 
Casper said:
Rarely does that happen.
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Do they catch everyone?
No but your punishment wouldn't either.

Yes some mayors and police departments have let things go too far.
But most of the others are withholding force to not escalate the situation.

You need to be more reasonable and drop the malice.
 
Casper said:
Was thinking how do we deal with rioters, heck some travel long distances to attend a protest which they help turn into a riot. So how about this:
If someone is arrested due to rioting and convicted, not protesting that is different, then they and their immediate family (living in the same home) lose All Government Assistance. No Welfare, no Food Stamps, no assistance for a term of 5 years, no exceptions. Think that would have an impact or just make some even crazier?
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No. Punishing innocents for the crimes of others is repugnant. It's as morally corrupt as the crime itself.

Punish the ones who riot (and/or loot). If a family member stayed home, then they're not guilty. Period.
 
Casper said:
Was thinking how do we deal with rioters, heck some travel long distances to attend a protest which they help turn into a riot. So how about this:
If someone is arrested due to rioting and convicted, not protesting that is different, then they and their immediate family (living in the same home) lose All Government Assistance. No Welfare, no Food Stamps, no assistance for a term of 5 years, no exceptions. Think that would have an impact or just make some even crazier?
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Your plan presumes that all rioters are on the government tit. I'm not sure that's the case. As an alternative, we do know that all rioters are rioters and therefore lawbreakers. Arrest the lawbreakers. Make it stick. A few burners, shooters, or looters in a cell with Bubba for a few years, the rest will get the message
 
Casper said:
Hate? Nope. There should be consequences to ones actions especially criminal actions. So take the persons welfare away for 5 years, part of their punishment and hey maybe they will be too busy trying to make money to riot in the future.
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...or they loot and steal even more to make up for it.
 
jimbo said:
Your plan presumes that all rioters are on the government tit. I'm not sure that's the case. As an alternative, we do know that all rioters are rioters and therefore lawbreakers. Arrest the lawbreakers. Make it stick. A few burners, shooters, or looters in a cell with Bubba for a few years, the rest will get the message
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Never said they were, just looking to reduce the numbers. Yeah like that is going to happen.
 
jamesrage said:
1.That would have to be enacted federally seeing how many of these rioters travel.Because Texas enacting such a law would have no impact on a rioter from a another state.

2.You can't punish people for something some dumbass in their house did.
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Distance traveled is not a factor in the commission of a crime. You commit a crime in Boston, Boston handles it.
 
radcen said:
No. Punishing innocents for the crimes of others is repugnant. It's as morally corrupt as the crime itself.

Punish the ones who riot (and/or loot). If a family member stayed home, then they're not guilty. Period.
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Already said limit to the person rioting. But we really do not punish them so hence they continue to see it as an opportunity to break more laws.
 
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