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Can Obama Pardon Millions of Immigrants?

Can Obama pardon Illegal Aliens

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Kobie said:
"Illegal aliens" and "refugees" are two distinct designations.
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The article refers to illegal immigrants. I understood that to be illegal aliens.
Thank you for the differences. Noted for the future. unless my memory fails me.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Only if they returned to their country of origin. Why should criminals, pardoned or not, get head of line status over those that did not "cheat"?
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Could he not pardon with specific qualifiers, such as no criminal records?
 
Napoleon said:
What about them? If illegal entry is pardoned then there is no standing for a deportation proceeding and they are de facto citizens. They can be prosecuted for unrelated crimes.
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You don't become a citizen just because someone pardoned you being here illegally.
 
JANFU said:
Did you read thru the article?
It has it all there.
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Sorry but I have a personal prejudice against folks posting links but are unable to answer questions about what is in them, even if the answer is "I don't know." Discussions that are nothing but links and cut and paste are boring as hell. Your OP did not request us to read and comment on the article. It asked specific questions. Nobody so far has referred to the author's opinion of the linked article but have directed their questions to you.

So what do you think? Can the president issue a blanket pardon for all illegal aliens in the country whether such pardon is qualified or not?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Sorry but I have a personal prejudice against folks posting links but are unable to answer questions about what is in them, even if the answer is "I don't know." Discussions that are nothing but links and cut and paste are boring as hell. Your OP did not request us to read and comment on the article. It asked specific questions. Nobody so far has referred to the author's opinion of the linked article but have directed their questions to you.

So what do you think? Can the president issue a blanket pardon for all illegal aliens in the country whether such pardon is qualified or not?
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Posted the link, asked poll questions- i do not know the answers and I posted this as I thought it was an interesting take.
Now my not posting read the article, well I have posted these before, seen others as well do the same thing, no one ever to my knowledge stated- read the article before posting.
 
JANFU said:
I realize he cannot pardon in advance.
If he did pardon them, would it open them up to legally applying for Citizenship?
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Sure, deport them, and they can get in line behind those who have applied legally ahead of them.
 
JANFU said:
Posted the link, asked poll questions- i do not know the answers and I posted this as I thought it was an interesting take.
Now my not posting read the article, well I have posted these before, seen others as well do the same thing, no one ever to my knowledge stated- read the article before posting.
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No, nobody does that. But I do expect the OP to know what it was he/she posted. And to be prepared to discuss it. :)
 
Napoleon said:
Not necessarily. If you're thinking of people who decide to enter the country illegally then the only crime they committed was illegal entry. That can be pardoned and they are not committing any additional crime just by being here. It's a different story for those who entered the country legally but overstay their visa. That is a continuous act.
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What the hell kinda idiotic logic is that? Both are here illegally.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No, nobody does that. But I do expect the OP to know what it was he/she posted. And to be prepared to discuss it. :)
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I am not familiar with your laws. I was also reminded of Carters pardon. I had forgotten about that.
As I stated, I thought it had an interesting take.
Now posting an OP and expectations that you have from that Member, that does not always occur. And with me will not always occur.
I post articles that may be of interest and ripe for a good discussion.
 
countryboy said:
What the hell kinda idiotic logic is that? Both are here illegally.
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They're covered by different statutes. It's not the same criminal offense. A person who entered the country illegally is not charged with a crime just for being here. They are charged with a crime for the manner in which they entered. For a person who entered legally but overstayed their visa; they are charged with a crime for just being here. The key difference is that one crime is a one-time event in the past and the other is a continuous crime.
 
JANFU said:
I am not familiar with your laws. I was also reminded of Carters pardon. I had forgotten about that.
As I stated, I thought it had an interesting take.
Now posting an OP and expectations that you have from that Member, that does not always occur. And with me will not always occur.
I post articles that may be of interest and ripe for a good discussion.
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I don't make any laws except in my own household or in very rare circumstances in which I have been given power to control things. It's just a suggestion that if you want people to discuss the questions in your OP, you offered the questions and that is what people were doing. If you want people to discuss the content of a linked article, you should specify that in your OP.
 
The short answer is no. The president does not have the power to change or impose law. He merely has the power to restrict how enforcement of existing law is implemented. He can for example direct the INS to NOT enforce immigration law. He cannot overrule or override laws pertaining to immigration and citizenship.
 
I would say yes he can pardon them since we are all human beings and I believe that borders are just imaginary lines on a map. I think living in this country we take for granted how good we have it and so if people from another part of the Earth want to put their lives at risk to try and make their lives a little better here than I say go for it. We all should have more empathy for others in my opinion.
 
wanderlust said:
I would say yes he can pardon them since we are all human beings and I believe that borders are just imaginary lines on a map. I think living in this country we take for granted how good we have it and so if people from another part of the Earth want to put their lives at risk to try and make their lives a little better here than I say go for it. We all should have more empathy for others in my opinion.
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Your feelings and opinion defies law and Constitution. The president is bound by both. He does have the power through executive action to 'pardon' criminal acts...he does not have the power to extend citizenship. There are laws in place that cannot be usurped. You should be extraordinarily grateful for that fact.
 
VanceMack said:
Your feelings and opinion defies law and Constitution. The president is bound by both. He does have the power through executive action to 'pardon' criminal acts...he does not have the power to extend citizenship. There are laws in place that cannot be usurped. You should be extraordinarily grateful for that fact.
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I think that if they are pardoned then they should be able to be called US citizens, although I don't like the label of citizens anyway. I think that the constitution is a living document that could and should change as time goes on and society evolves. Most of the aliens are doing nothing different from a citizen, it's just the label that defines them.
 
He can pardon them of past crimes, but that does not absolve them of future crimes now does it make their status legal.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't make any laws except in my own household or in very rare circumstances in which I have been given power to control things. It's just a suggestion that if you want people to discuss the questions in your OP, you offered the questions and that is what people were doing. If you want people to discuss the content of a linked article, you should specify that in your OP.
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Good advice, thank you
 
Johnson said:
That is a good question. Without researching the answer, I don't know if the presidents ability to issue pardons only applies to American citizens. If you're here illegally, I honestly do not know if it is within the scope of possibility for a president to issue a pardon. Then again, with the way things have been going...rules, schmules.
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That's a great perspective! I hadn't thought in those terms but I like what you are saying. It would be an interesting assertion in defense of letting him do anything and everything he wants.
 
JANFU said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/opinion/can-obama-pardon-millions-of-immigrants.html?_r=0



Can Obama pardon Illegal Aliens Yes

Can Obama pardon Illegal Aliens No

Other -Pls explain

If he did, it would be with qualifying factors. No criminal rewords and such.
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Executive clemency ( pardons, commutations, reprieves ) requires that a person was convicted of a crime. so all of those people would first have to be convicted of the crime before they could be pardoned. but yes he could then pardon them.
 
wanderlust said:
I think that if they are pardoned then they should be able to be called US citizens, although I don't like the label of citizens anyway. I think that the constitution is a living document that could and should change as time goes on and society evolves. Most of the aliens are doing nothing different from a citizen, it's just the label that defines them.
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But the law doesnt work that way. If they are 'pardoned' it would be for nothing more than being here illegally in the first place. That doesnt change the fact that they are here illegally. You MUST follow Constitutionally law. There is a reason we have immigration law. On a grand scale its the same reason you have doors with locks and fences on your own property. Even with the best of intentions there MUST be a maintenance of population, health standards, availability of jobs, etc. There must be law. there must be order. Not from a punitive sense but from a logical and logistical sense.
 
First off I believe Pardons apply only to Us Citizens and secondly one has to name the person being Pardoned, does he know all their names and addresses, if so why are they not arrested and deported.
 
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