How much will you trust a Pres Hillary Clinton with classified nat'l security info?

Tanngrisnir · Jul 5, 2016

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Mycroft said:
I had to answer, 100% distrust, because I don't trust her to do ANYTHING in the public's best interest unless she sees a political or personal advantage in doing so. You know...pretty much the way Obama has done for the past 8 years.

In fact, I suppose it's possible there is a Democrat out there...somewhere...who actually cares more about our country than about themselves or their Party, but I haven't heard of him/her yet.

You should try listening to something besides the echo chamber in your head.

ttwtt78640 · Jul 5, 2016

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AGENT J said:
1.) oh absolutely not, they should look into it, and they should have plans to resolve it. Again though i bet this goes everywhere including the FBI. Its a total lack system and so sad when my company can do it right and the government cant.
2.) well, yes and no, I dont think its a waste, its a waste and stupidity focusing on just hillary but not a waste looking into it.

They looked, found multiple violations of the law (which is the system, BTW) and decided not to press matters further for the convenience of the party in power (their bosses). Who, other than Hillary, made the official decision to place a server in her home?

AGENT J · Jul 5, 2016

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ttwtt78640 said:
Who was the SoS? If those at the top of (name the agency) are not responsible then eliminate those positions permanently.

I dont know? My guess is IT and Security. Thats who is responsible in my company but thats just a guess.....

an argument could be made that all of the National Security Council could be held accountable (Hillary was part of that) with most of the attention on the National Security Advisor and their team. But again that gets tricky really fast . . .i read so much on this and similar stuff was going on at least way back to Condoleezza Rice or even Sandy Berger :shrug:

this again is way I have the opinion that even if there needed to be charges against hillary there wasnt going to be because once its started it would go back as far as the statue of limitations allows and that might be 50% of our current politicians. LOL not really funny but you just have to laugh sometimes.

AGENT J · Jul 5, 2016

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ajn678 said:
If it causes hundreds of people to lose their job, so be it. No organization is too big to jail. Well apparently, they seem to be.

and this is why i said it wont happen . . .
it doesnt matter our opinions on it, it aint going to happen because it would involve 100s . . like the whole current administration and probably admins back to bush 1 or bill clinton, but they all dont have jobs to lose

Fletch · Jul 5, 2016

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SouthernDemocrat said:
I would trust Hillary 100% better than I would Trump with classified info. Next loaded poll please.

Why?.

AGENT J · Jul 5, 2016

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ttwtt78640 said:
They looked, found multiple violations of the law (which is the system, BTW) and decided not to press matters further for the convenience of the party in power (their bosses). Who, other than Hillary, made the official decision to place a server in her home?

not just the party in power but the current administration and probably every one back to Bill CLinton or even Bush 1.

ttwtt78640 · Jul 5, 2016

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AGENT J said:
I dont know? My guess is IT and Security. Thats who is responsible in my company but thats just a guess.....

an argument could be made that all of the National Security Council could be held accountable (Hillary was part of that) with most of the attention on the National Security Advisor and their team. But again that gets tricky really fast . . .i read so much on this and similar stuff was going on at least way back to Condoleezza Rice or even Sandy Berger :shrug:

this again is way I have the opinion that even if there needed to be charges against hillary there wasnt going to be because once its started it would go back as far as the statue of limitations allows and that might be 50% of our current politicians. LOL not really funny but you just have to laugh sometimes.

There is absolutely no way that your company's IT or security folks would have placed the company's server in the home of the CEO without having the full knowledge and consent of that CEO.

ajn678 · Jul 5, 2016

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Fletch said:
Why?.

Because he's a Democrat.

AGENT J · Jul 5, 2016

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ttwtt78640 said:
There is absolutely no way that your company's IT or security folks would have placed the company's server in the home of the CEO without having the full knowledge and consent of that CEO.

Who said they would?? that analogy doesnt even make sense but ill role with it.

if I as lead test engineer, was sending emails from my home account that would be visual flagged as unsecured email to everybody who received it. They would have to do extra steps to open it and acknowledge its not approved. ANy attachments that were programs/active code would be blocked.

To respond to me would again be flagged, not attachments would be allowed and extra steps to send thing to me would need taken.

so me and everybody receiving my emails would know what was going on

To bypass all this IT/Security would have to change the system and break protocol, to do that would require at least approval from Security, IT and HR . . and probably the executive board/CEO.

Once that was done and all the flags and extra steps went away, everybody would still notice they were gone and they were receiving and responding to outside emails.

making us all part of the problem.

Now if I has a test manager wanted the test server moved to my house, IT, Security, HR, Engineering VP and executive board/CEO would need to approve that.

and again if it happened, many people are to blame for knowingly breaking our own protocols and or not caring.

so here we are at the same spot . . . Im not sure what you are getting at

still stands that 100s of current and ex government employees are part of the problem.

PIPEWRENCH · Jul 5, 2016

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ajn678 said:
I don't think they needed to indict her to make an example out of her. Comey could have been more blunt with the fact that if she were currently in a position of government, her security clearance would have been revoked. And that someone with this kind of inability to keep information classified at top levels secure, should never be trusted with our nation's biggest secrets.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

The level of incompetence by our government is beyond belief. With this level of incompetence in charge we wonder why we are circling the drain. Can things get worse? Put her at the helm and this ship is going down.

Mycroft · Jul 6, 2016

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Tanngrisnir said:
You should try listening to something besides the echo chamber in your head.

Your post is as useful as your nonsensical signature.

Casper · Jul 6, 2016

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Lutherf said:
Hillary operates outside the law and will use whatever information she feels she needs for her political purposes. Obama found the Constitution and the laws of the nation to be a hurdle he needed to overcome. For Hillary there is no hurdle. If her needs are in conflict with the law she'll just plow the law under.

I agree and tried warning Cons of this years ago, but instead they made sure she will get her opportunity by selecting a life long liberal lying POS narcissist as their candidate. Told ya, you picked him, learn to live with the results.

Casper · Jul 6, 2016

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PIPEWRENCH said:
:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

The level of incompetence by our government is beyond belief. With this level of incompetence in charge we wonder why we are circling the drain. Can things get worse? Put her at the helm and this ship is going down.

Wrong, not that I do not disagree, but that it matters if it is Hillary or Trump, the drain is coming either way. Get Ready.

PIPEWRENCH · Jul 6, 2016

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Casper said:
Wrong, not that I do not disagree, but that it matters if it is Hillary or Trump, the drain is coming either way. Get Ready.

Lets hope your wrong. I don't think Trump is a republican. I think he was smart enough to know the only chance he had of winning was to be in one of the 2 parties. I don't think it will matter because Hillary is the puppet of the rich and powerful who own both parties and they won't let Trump in if at all possible.

Casper · Jul 6, 2016

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PIPEWRENCH said:
Lets hope your wrong. I don't think Trump is a republican. I think he was smart enough to know the only chance he had of winning was to be in one of the 2 parties. I don't think it will matter because Hillary is the puppet of the rich and powerful who own both parties and they won't let Trump in if at all possible.

Umm what do you think Trump is, let me help, he is:
A life Long Liberal Democrat,
A rich establishment insider that thinks the world is his play thing,
A liar that says he believes in one thing and does exactly the opposite,
A snakeoil salesman that knew if he said the right things he could get enough support from the GOP to have a shot at getting their Party nomination,
The least qualified candidate to run and get a Party nomination in as far back as most living people can recall.
Sorry that drain is coming, like it or not, the difference is Trump would get us there faster, but either way we are going where we deserve.

Risky Thicket · Jul 6, 2016

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ajn678 said:
She has no regard for the general rule of law or the safety of the American public. Imagine what would she would do to prevent a country like Russia or China from releasing information about deals that have been committed by the Clinton Foundation.

That is a very good point and one that should not be taken lightly.

nota bene · Jul 6, 2016

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Casper said:
Umm what do you think Trump is, let me help, he is:
A life Long Liberal Democrat,
A rich establishment insider that thinks the world is his play thing,
A liar that says he believes in one thing and does exactly the opposite,
A snakeoil salesman that knew if he said the right things he could get enough support from the GOP to have a shot at getting their Party nomination,
The least qualified candidate to run and get a Party nomination in as far back as most living people can recall.
Sorry that drain is coming, like it or not, the difference is Trump would get us there faster, but either way we are going where we deserve.

Speak for yourself. I don't think I deserve this insanity.

shrubnose · Jul 6, 2016

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How much did you trust G.W. Bush who invaded Iraq for possession of weapons of mass destruction which it didn't have?

Think about that a little bit.

:lol:

I'll trust her just as much as I trusted G.W. Bush.

Abbazorkzog · Jul 6, 2016

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Casper said:
Umm what do you think Trump is, let me help, he is:
A life Long Liberal Democrat,
A rich establishment insider that thinks the world is his play thing,
A liar that says he believes in one thing and does exactly the opposite,
A snakeoil salesman that knew if he said the right things he could get enough support from the GOP to have a shot at getting their Party nomination,
The least qualified candidate to run and get a Party nomination in as far back as most living people can recall.
Sorry that drain is coming, like it or not, the difference is Trump would get us there faster, but either way we are going where we deserve.

This election has been the utmost literal in-your-face example of a billionaire buying an American election...

jamesrage · Jul 6, 2016

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Josie said:
From Comey's news conference this morning:

there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.
Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.

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Based on this evidence that the FBI has reported, how comfortable are you with trusting a President Hillary Clinton to handle classified information? (Note -- this isn't a thread to discuss if she should've been charged.)

I don't think it's carelessness on her part. I think it's intentional.Because that woman had to have been briefed numerous times that a personal email and a personal server are inadequately secure.But yet she still chose to use those things for classified information. That means she either didn't care that classified information could be leaked because she was doing something nefarious or she wanted classified information to be leaked. Considering the fact she tried to delete those emails and personal server she knew she was in the wrong.

ALiberalModerate · Jul 6, 2016

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Fletch said:
Why?.

1. Trump is quite literally a pathological liar.

2. He can't keep his mouth shut about anything and is a textbook narcissist that will easily be manipulated because of that by governments around the world.

The man is mentally unfit to be president. So no, I don't trust him at all with classified material. That is not to say that I fully trust Hillary either, but we have 2 choices here and she is far and away the better of those 2 choices we have.

tres borrachos · Jul 6, 2016

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I won't trust her to do anything right. I had a lot of doubts about her before, but her lies, her blatant disregard for policy and processes, and her attitude only confirms why she hasn't earned my trust. It's going to be a long 4 years.

radcen · Jul 6, 2016

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Josie said:
From Comey's news conference this morning:

Based on this evidence that the FBI has reported, how comfortable are you with trusting a President Hillary Clinton to handle classified information? (Note -- this isn't a thread to discuss if she should've been charged.)[/FONT][/COLOR]

Honestly, I don't believe she did anything intentional, but I also don't believe she's necessarily any better or worse than some others in high positions, so I don't feel the need to get all worked up over it.

I'm actually more concerned with her honesty in general, and I distrust that she will do the right thing in general, and this is just a piece of that puzzle.

ttwtt78640 · Jul 6, 2016

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AGENT J said:
Who said they would?? that analogy doesnt even make sense but ill role with it.

if I as lead test engineer, was sending emails from my home account that would be visual flagged as unsecured email to everybody who received it. They would have to do extra steps to open it and acknowledge its not approved. ANy attachments that were programs/active code would be blocked.

To respond to me would again be flagged, not attachments would be allowed and extra steps to send thing to me would need taken.

so me and everybody receiving my emails would know what was going on

To bypass all this IT/Security would have to change the system and break protocol, to do that would require at least approval from Security, IT and HR . . and probably the executive board/CEO.

Once that was done and all the flags and extra steps went away, everybody would still notice they were gone and they were receiving and responding to outside emails.

making us all part of the problem.

Now if I has a test manager wanted the test server moved to my house, IT, Security, HR, Engineering VP and executive board/CEO would need to approve that.

and again if it happened, many people are to blame for knowingly breaking our own protocols and or not caring.

so here we are at the same spot . . . Im not sure what you are getting at

still stands that 100s of current and ex government employees are part of the problem.

That (bolded above) is precisely my point - changes in (excetions added to?) a secure communcaton system require direction (high level auhorzation?) and coordination.

American · Jul 6, 2016

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Every single person who did NOT vote for Option 1 having 100% trust in her to handle classified data should be voting against her.

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