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Brexit Result?

Brexit Result?

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Carjosse said:
The hell you on about? What does this have to do with anything?
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It is like what democrats do over here. They try to scare people into thinking they'll loose their free stuff to keep their votes. It is modern day voter extortion. That is what he is saying the EU is doing. Threatening to cut their freebies to force them to vote as the elites would have them vote.
 
ksu_aviator said:
It is like what democrats do over here. They try to scare people into thinking they'll loose their free stuff to keep their votes. It is modern day voter extortion. That is what he is saying the EU is doing. Threatening to cut their freebies to force them to vote as the elites would have them vote.
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What free stuff? What do you think the EU is? One thing is for certain though, the UK will face economic consequences.
 
Remain will win, even if that's not what the majority actually wants. They will do a revote, or use ridiculous scare tactics to have people vote against what they really want, ect. I personally hope they vote to exit the EU as it's plainly obvious that countries are going to lose their sovereignty over time to a bunch of unelected appointed officials that will continue to attack and limit the ability of any country to make decisions for themselves.
 
Fishking said:
Remain will win, even if that's not what the majority actually wants. They will do a revote, or use ridiculous scare tactics to have people vote against what they really want, ect. I personally hope they vote to exit the EU as it's plainly obvious that countries are going to lose their sovereignty over time to a bunch of unelected appointed officials that will continue to attack and limit the ability of any country to make decisions for themselves.
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Do you think the UK is some third world dictatorship or something? UK elections are fair and free and so will this referendum. So if leave wins it must be what the majority wants following your logic? You are a being loser before the voting has even started.
 
Carjosse said:
So a tax credit...? That is not free stuff coming from the EU, so I am still not seeing what the hell you are talking about. According to that website migrants are less of a burden than the UK born citizens and just take advantage of their tax credits more.
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You didn't read my post and you didn't read the link. They get a bunch of benefits. It was the very first bullet point.
 
ksu_aviator said:
You didn't read my post and you didn't read the link. They get a bunch of benefits. It was the very first bullet point.
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I did, except you have no point and your own link proves you wrong.

The first bullet point is:
EU citizens with jobs have similar access to the benefits as UK citizens. For jobseekers or people not working, the rules for determining eligibility can be complex and vary depending on the type of benefit in question.
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So what, if you have residency in a country you should be eligible for benefits of living in that country. Yes, that is part of freedom of movement but is not an EU freebie. An Englishman can go to France or Germany and get the same thing.

What point are you trying to make? Did you even read your own link?
 
Carjosse said:
Do you think the UK is some third world dictatorship or something? UK elections are fair and free and so will this referendum. So if leave wins it must be what the majority wants following your logic? You are a being loser before the voting has even started.
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No, I'm going off of what actually happens.
 
Carjosse said:
Well polling has started, so far no reports of what you have stated.
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You mean there hasn't been constant scare tactics of a Brexit and the vote has already happened in favor of leaving and there was a call to vote again? Huh...I didn't know.
 
Carjosse said:
I did, except you have no point and your own link proves you wrong.

The first bullet point is:

So what, if you have residency in a country you should be eligible for benefits of living in that country. Yes, that is part of freedom of movement but is not an EU freebie. An Englishman can go to France or Germany and get the same thing.

What point are you trying to make? Did you even read your own link?
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You are right. I had no point. This wasn't my line of reasoning. I was explaining what the other person meant. But you don't seem to know how to read for comprehension, so piss off Lou.
 
Anagram said:
What do you think the result of the EU Membership Referendum will be tomorrow? Personally, I see that the polling' pretty tight, with Leave just slightly ahead, but often the undecideds break for the status quo so I'm thinking Remain wins by a hair.
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I'd like them to leave.
The EU is an infancy of a domineering superstate, that shouldn't exist and will eventually suppress it's member states to it's will.

Don't know what will happen with the vote though.
 
ksu_aviator said:
You are right. I had no point. This wasn't my line of reasoning. I was explaining what the other person meant. But you don't seem to know how to read for comprehension, so piss off Lou.
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It doe snot even prove his point about a nanny state, the report was about who qualifies for benefits in the UK and tax credits for migrants.
 
Fishking said:
You mean there hasn't been constant scare tactics of a Brexit and the vote has already happened in favor of leaving and there was a call to vote again? Huh...I didn't know.
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Well the Brexit campaign has absolutely adopted scare tactics. You said the remain side will use scare tactics to force people to vote remain the EU, that is false there has been no reports of it. I would also like to know how the remain vote winning does not mean a majority wanted it but a leave victory for some reason means a majority wanted it?
 
Carjosse said:
It doe snot even prove his point about a nanny state, the report was about who qualifies for benefits in the UK and tax credits for migrants.
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If we have to prove to you that England is a nanny state, then you don't know anything about the country.

The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners. For 9.6 million families, benefits make up more than half of their income (30% of all families), around 5.3 million of them pensioners. The number of families receiving benefits will be between 1 and 2 million fewer now because of changes to child tax credits that mean some working families who previously got a small amount now get nothing.
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Benefits in Britain: separating the facts from the fiction | Politics | The Guardian
 
I would put my money on leave. Assuming the polling is correct in portraying that opinion has slightly tipped towards remain, I think leave might have a higher voter turnout, as they have seemed the more passionate side during the campaign. Of course, that may just be my personal bias speaking, as I truly hope Britain chooses to leave the European Union, hopefully leading to the dissolution of the E.U. It has become an undemocratic political union which seems to be seeking hegemony over Europe; it has become far-removed from its original purpose.
 
Carjosse said:
Well the Brexit campaign has absolutely adopted scare tactics. You said the remain side will use scare tactics to force people to vote remain the EU, that is false there has been no reports of it. I would also like to know how the remain vote winning does not mean a majority wanted it but a leave victory for some reason means a majority wanted it?
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The pro-EU camp has been using scare tactics and even threats, so what is new there.

What is disturbing is that
-though, the EU is the largest and most extensive political project of the European elite since 1945
-and in spite of the fact that the legitimacy of the complete political, bureaucratic, judicial and academic classes stand or fall with this endeavor
-and the cost to the populations has been astronomical to the point of unrest in the streets
nobody has found arguments persuasive enough to really convince anyone that the EU is good and really worth the effort. If I were a EU-o-phile, I would be sick at the thought of how wishy washy the pro camp as been.
 
Carjosse said:
What does that have to do with the EU exactly?
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Who said it has anything to do with the EU? I said that the UK was a nanny state, you seem to think it's not.
 
joG said:
The pro-EU camp has been using scare tactics and even threats, so what is new there.

What is disturbing is that
-though, the EU is the largest and most extensive political project of the European elite since 1945
-and in spite of the fact that the legitimacy of the complete political, bureaucratic, judicial and academic classes stand or fall with this endeavor
-and the cost to the populations has been astronomical to the point of unrest in the streets
nobody has found arguments persuasive enough to really convince anyone that the EU is good and really worth the effort. If I were a EU-o-phile, I would be sick at the thought of how wishy washy the pro camp as been.
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The EU is a large and extensive project because it oversees European integration. Whether you like it or not Europe is a very integrated continent out of necessity. The European nations rely on each other, including the UK, having a body that oversees all that is incredibly useful and good for all countries involved. Freedom of movement is pretty much necessary as well as regulations that pertain to all EU members. The EU has allowed industries to grow and prosper and bring new economic opportunities to all the nations involved. Take for example the finance sector of the UK which make sup 10% of the economy, it is currently built on a foundation of Euro trading (10 trillion Euros flow through London every year) as well as being a beachhead for foreign businesses. The EU has brought Europe together and created many opportunities for its member states. The EU is being used as a scapegoat because people do not understand it and you are one of those people.
 
clownboy said:
Who said it has anything to do with the EU? I said that the UK was a nanny state, you seem to think it's not.
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Well your post said:
Not sure about "cooler heads", but those folks over there are really, really used to a nanny state. And the nanny is threatening their entitlements if they vote Leave. In fact it highlights how ****ed over they've been by the whole EU crap that a half of them poll out as wanting to leave, even though they've been raised and controlled by the state.
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You are saying that the government will take away stuff if they vote leave. What is being taken away? The EU does not give out free stuff.
 
Carjosse said:
The EU is a large and extensive project because it oversees European integration. Whether you like it or not Europe is a very integrated continent out of necessity. The European nations rely on each other, including the UK, having a body that oversees all that is incredibly useful and good for all countries involved. Freedom of movement is pretty much necessary as well as regulations that pertain to all EU members. The EU has allowed industries to grow and prosper and bring new economic opportunities to all the nations involved. Take for example the finance sector of the UK which make sup 10% of the economy, it is currently built on a foundation of Euro trading (10 trillion Euros flow through London every year) as well as being a beachhead for foreign businesses. The EU has brought Europe together and created many opportunities for its member states. The EU is being used as a scapegoat because people do not understand it and you are one of those people.
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Don't be silly, I do like it to the extent it makes sense. Of course the EU improved the economics enormously as long as it was essentially a free trade area. The problems began to grow much later at approximately the time the EU Constitutional Convent was conceived. As of that point the political ideology became more important than the economics and legalities and the system ran on make-believe. And that is where the problem is.
 
Carjosse said:
It doe snot even prove his point about a nanny state, the report was about who qualifies for benefits in the UK and tax credits for migrants.
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I didn't say it did. I just showed you the logic. Gawd you are dense.
 
Voted to leave but I think remain will win. They did a much better job of getting their point across.
 
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