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Was the Orlando shootings and attack on the United States, on LGBT...

Was the Orlando shootings and attack on the United States, on LGBT, or both?

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I'm not so sure that all the information is out there yet but at this point it seems to be the act of a lunatic.
 
radcen said:
Was the Orlando shootings and attack on the United States, on LGBT, both, or something else?
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The place was targeted because it was a "gay" club. What do you think?
 
Whatever it was, it wasn't terrorism. Not Islamic, jihadist terrorism anyway. Until some group steps up and claims responsibility. If that happens then yeah, but until then it was just, as Lutherf said, the act of a lunatic.
 
tres borrachos said:
Do we know the little bastard's overarching goals yet?
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That much we do know. The guy wanted to kill people.

Maybe he figured he'd be rewarded in Heaven or get a statue to his memory built in Fallujah or something but his primary goal was, without a doubt, to kill innocent people.
 
Grand Mal said:
Whatever it was, it wasn't terrorism. Not Islamic, jihadist terrorism anyway. Until some group steps up and claims responsibility. If that happens then yeah, but until then it was just, as Lutherf said, the act of a lunatic.
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I read that Isis is claiming responsibility.

And now the dudes dad is posting about punishing homosexuality.

It is terrorism. At the very least ISIS inspired.

It was an attack on both. (for the poll)
 
Kreton said:
I read that Isis is claiming responsibility.

And now the dudes dad is posting about punishing homosexuality.

It is terrorism. At the very least ISIS inspired.

It was an attack on both. (for the poll)
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If that's so, it changes my take on it all.
 
Grand Mal said:
If that's so, it changes my take on it all.
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Even if ISIS isn't claiming responsibility, terrorism should be about intent, not necessarily established organizational backing.

This is just a theory on my part at this point, but I think it's possible that he was not even known to ISIS, and acted on his own in their name and in their agenda, and that they are only claiming responsibility because it was well-done (from their perspective) and it suits their agenda.
 
Gay Americans are Americans, a terrorist attack on them is an attack on all of us.

Lone wolfs are the most dangerous terrorists out there for us.
 
tres borrachos said:
Do we know the little bastard's overarching goals yet?
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Yup. We really do not know enough yet.

There is a slant on the information they are letting out, but there is a lot of connecting of unverified dots
 
radcen said:
Was the Orlando shootings and attack on the United States, on LGBT, both, or something else?
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Only one person knows that and I doubt he'll be posting here. What's the point of speculating?
 
radcen said:
Was the Orlando shootings and attack on the United States, on LGBT, both, or something else?
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I don't think we'll ever know for sure.
The only person who might be able to tell us was the shooter, and he's dead.

He made what sounds like somewhat confused/wild claims that he was affiliated with various Islamic terrorist groups and/or terrorist individuals.
But apart from that...who knows?
 
When terrorists attack any group --- we ALL feel it.
 
I dont have enough information.

Give it a week at least.

Please.
 
radcen said:
Even if ISIS isn't claiming responsibility, terrorism should be about intent, not necessarily established organizational backing.

This is just a theory on my part at this point, but I think it's possible that he was not even known to ISIS, and acted on his own in their name and in their agenda, and that they are only claiming responsibility because it was well-done (from their perspective) and it suits their agenda.
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they've done that before, and they act like they invented terrorism

there have been attacks on gay clubs since the 70s at least, some by christians, some by disgruntled lovers. In this case there was an orlando imam who was recently preaching 'death to gays' so it wouldn't surprise me if he was the 'inspiration' as much as ISIS

what i'm almost certain of is it was a deliberate attack on lgbt by an outsider. It wasn't an attack on a random place or to attack 'america' as a whole like 9/11
 
chromium said:
i'm sure homophobes wish this to go away, but it ain't gonna happen
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It has nothing to do with agenda's of people who are currently alive, we simply dont know what motivated the killer. The experts should be able to figure it out, and then when they know we should know.
 
radcen said:
Was the Orlando shootings and attack on the United States, on LGBT, both, or something else?
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Its pretty obvious that since he went out of his way to drive an hour and a half to a gay club that it was an attack on gays. also his father said he was upset by two gay people kissing recently.
And since he called 911 and pledged his allegiance to the Islamic state and has made supportive statements of terrorist groups that have clashed with the usa before and was investigated over them that he was also supporting an agenda against the usa too.
it seems to be both to me.
 
I think it is broader than an attack on just the U.S. or LGBT. It is an attack on the West and Western values. All radical Islamic attacks throughout the world are about that broad attack. They are terrorizing the western world, trying to instill fear in us in the hopes of driving us from their part of the world.
 
Ideally, incidents like this should start a broader debate about homophobia in general.

This perpetrator happened to be Muslim, but he could have been just as well a fundamentalist Christian. Extremists of both religions don't differ that much in these regards.

Instead, we had Christian hypocrites blaming Muslims in the same breath they suggested the gays had it coming. Disgusting, really.
 
tres borrachos said:
Do we know the little bastard's overarching goals yet?
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Nope - the information is all suspect at this point.

The one thing I am relatively sure of is the FBI dropping the ball in several different ways (multiple interviews, having him on and off the terrorist watch list, and not catching him with the gun background check).

Seems like the bastard's father, who is severely cooked, seems to almost be pleased.
 
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