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When Will Sanders Concede?

When does Sanders concede?

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Surrealistik said:
No, I mean by not making policy concessions with Bernie's camp, as repeatedly stated.
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So she won and he lost...and he is making demands???

If people like you do not want to vote for her...vote for someone else. Or...just don't vote. Or...continue to stomp your feet and hold your breath. I'm sure Mommy will come along to make things better for you.
 
Frank Apisa said:
So she won and he lost...and he is making demands???

If people like you do not want to vote for her...vote for someone else. Or...just don't vote. Or...continue to stomp your feet and hold your breath. I'm sure Mommy will come along to make things better for you.
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I have to admit, I find it the height of irony that you would accuse me of being childish for seeking representation in proportion to my vote from the nominee in what is presumably a democracy, while simultaneously being (willfully) blind to the true infantilism demonstrated by Hillary; someone who, despite claiming to be a leader and unifier of the Democratic party (and a master of compromise/pragmatism), and who holds by far the most power and responsibility within it to prevent a schism, has thus far has refused to take a single step towards reconciling with Bernie's camp.
 
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Surrealistik said:
I have to admit, I find it the height of irony that you would accuse me of being childish for seeking representation in proportion to my vote from the nominee in what is presumably a democracy, while simultaneously being (willfully) blind to the true infantilism demonstrated by Hillary; someone who, despite claiming to be a leader and unifier of the Democratic party (and a master of compromise/pragmatism), and who holds by far the most power and responsibility within it to prevent a schism, has thus far has refused to take a single step towards reconciling with Bernie's camp.
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One...I don't care what you find.

Two...if you truly do not see a single step taken towards reconciliation with the Sanders' camp...I can understand why you have trouble finding anything.
 
Ya gotta wonder what some of these jerks would be saying if Bernie Sanders had beaten Hillary Clinton…and Hillary Clinton were demanding that Bernie Sanders disregard what he campaigned on and adopt her agenda.

This is farce…and I can only hope (and I expect) there are more realistic people among the Bernie Supporters crowd than the fringe nut cases that are the most vocal…especially the Internet wackos.

In any case, as Hillary essentially said when addressing the Bill Clinton detractors back in ’92: If they don’t wanna vote for him, let them not vote for him.

If there are people determined not to vote for Hillary Clinton…fine. Don’t vote for her.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Ya gotta wonder what some of these jerks would be saying if Bernie Sanders had beaten Hillary Clinton…and Hillary Clinton were demanding that Bernie Sanders disregard what he campaigned on and adopt her agenda.

This is farce…and I can only hope (and I expect) there are more realistic people among the Bernie Supporters crowd than the fringe nut cases that are the most vocal…especially the Internet wackos.

In any case, as Hillary essentially said when addressing the Bill Clinton detractors back in ’92: If they don’t wanna vote for him, let them not vote for him.

If there are people determined not to vote for Hillary Clinton…fine. Don’t vote for her.
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If Hillary lost with 43% I would absolutely be amiable to adopting parts of her campaign for the sake of party unity, democratic representation, and winning against Trump.


And what exactly has Hillary explicitly compromised on with Bernie in terms of policy?
 
Surrealistik said:
I have to admit, I find it the height of irony that you would accuse me of being childish for seeking representation in proportion to my vote from the nominee in what is presumably a democracy, while simultaneously being (willfully) blind to the true infantilism demonstrated by Hillary; someone who, despite claiming to be a leader and unifier of the Democratic party (and a master of compromise/pragmatism), and who holds by far the most power and responsibility within it to prevent a schism, has thus far has refused to take a single step towards reconciling with Bernie's camp.
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You mean like adding more Sanders supporters to key committees? Oh wait, that is happening...Darn facts...

And see, here is the thing, the people chose Clinton. Not Sanders. Telling those people who supported Clinton that what she ran on is now going to get changed to make the loser's supporters happy, that is not really a recipe for success.

Let me repeat this: Sanders lost. He lost fair and square. He lost by a large margin. It was never close.
 
Surrealistik said:
If Hillary lost with 43% I would absolutely be amiable to adopting parts of her campaign for the sake of party unity, democratic representation, and winning against Trump.
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Really?

Parts that you find objectionable?

Or parts that are already part of what Sanders already favors?

There are already parts that both agree on.

Give me some specifics (of parts they disagree on) you think Hillary Clinton ought to concede to Bernie Sanders. And then I will ask you for comparable parts that Bernie would concede to Hillary if the WIN had gone in the other direction.


And what exactly has Hillary explicitly compromised on with Bernie in terms of policy?
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I personally thing NEITHER should compromise on policy. What the hell good would it do to change POLICY? Are you actually asking for either to give the Republicans ammunition to show the winner as a hypocrite?

I change things from that "policy" crap (which is never going to happen from either side) to what you talked about in your response in #52: "...has thus far has refused to take a single step towards reconciling with Bernie's camp."

Bernie has already moved Hillary much further left than she wanted to be at this moment in the campaign. The "center" of the political spectrum will be the deciding factor...not the nut cases on either end of it.

The Platform Committee for the convention is now a progressive majority due to concessions to Bernie. THE PLATFORM COMMITTEE.

So...give me the specifics for what you think the winner ought to concede to the loser.
 
Redress said:
Well, you want him to run third party since that is one of the few possible ways Trump wins. It won't happen though. So let's keep this in the real world.
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I told you all about the Democrats, they jerk the wanderers back inline when necessary.
 
Redress said:
You mean like adding more Sanders supporters to key committees? Oh wait, that is happening...Darn facts...

And see, here is the thing, the people chose Clinton. Not Sanders. Telling those people who supported Clinton that what she ran on is now going to get changed to make the loser's supporters happy, that is not really a recipe for success.

Let me repeat this: Sanders lost. He lost fair and square. He lost by a large margin. It was never close.
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Tokenism counts for nothing.

Further, no, while Sanders lost, I don't believe for a second that the nomination process was 'fair'; with regards to the necessity of compromise however, that doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

Second, yes, policy compromise _is_ a recipe for success if you cherrypick those policies that poll well and that aren't anathema to Clinton supporters and with the general populace; Bernie has quite a few in that vein.


Frank Apisa said:
Really?

Parts that you find objectionable?

Or parts that are already part of what Sanders already favors?

There are already parts that both agree on.

Give me some specifics (of parts they disagree on) you think Hillary Clinton ought to concede to Bernie Sanders. And then I will ask you for comparable parts that Bernie would concede to Hillary if the WIN had gone in the other direction.
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Yes.

Commitment to Bernie's campaign finance reform is one crucial thing; Hillary makes no mention of Buckley v Valeo whatsoever for example or publicly financed elections (https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...intons-plan-to-reform-campaign-finance-i.html is a good summary of her shortcomings on the issue). If I could _guarantee_ her wholehearted support of even this one piece of Sander's platform, I'd be behind her wholeheartedly. Beyond that marijuana legalization and single payer (yes, it'd be impossible to pass in a Republican Congress/House, but so would virtually all of their proposed legislation).


I personally thing NEITHER should compromise on policy. What the hell good would it do to change POLICY? Are you actually asking for either to give the Republicans ammunition to show the winner as a hypocrite?
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Improving your odds of winning the general is a pretty good outcome. Further, to say that internal compromise would be used as munition for Republican accusations of hypocrisy is ridiculous; there are far better and more legitimate instances of that so far as Hillary is concerned without resorting to something so transparently and ineffectively disingenuous.
 
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The people of the political far right...are kooks.




So are the people of the political far left.


The nation will survive both.
 
Redress said:
While some votes are still counted, the result is determined. Clinton will win the democratic nomination, beating Sanders by every imaginable metric. However, Clinton did not get enough pledge delegates to win without a few super-delegates. This is a formality, as the super-delegates will support Clinton at the convention. So when does Sanders concede? Poll incoming.
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I hope the Sanders supporters turn the whole convention upside down, cause a riot and then vote Trump! :lamo

The MSM is already warning their people.
 
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MickeyW said:
I hope the Sanders supporters turn the whole convention upside down, cause a riot and then vote Trump!
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I'm sure you do.

You have lots of help from the Sanders people no matter what.
 
Redress said:
While some votes are still counted, the result is determined. Clinton will win the democratic nomination, beating Sanders by every imaginable metric. However, Clinton did not get enough pledge delegates to win without a few super-delegates. This is a formality, as the super-delegates will support Clinton at the convention. So when does Sanders concede? Poll incoming.
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Sanders is still in the race.....if Hillary gets indicted he will be the candidate by default.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I'm sure you do.

You have lots of help from the Sanders people no matter what.
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I don't have any help from anyone.........I'm just a humble scribe watching the Hillarious antics!
 
MickeyW said:
I don't have any help from anyone.........I'm just a humble scribe watching the Hillarious antics!
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You will have help from many of the disgruntled Sanders people...whether you need or want it or not.

I agree that there are lots of hilarious antics to enjoy, though.
 
Frank Apisa said:
You will have help from many of the disgruntled Sanders people...whether you need or want it or not.

I agree that there are lots of hilarious antics to enjoy, though.
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That would be excellent!
 
Bernie should concede when he loses the voting.
 
Can Clinton win the general election without the votes of Bernie supporters?

If not, then she needs to negotiate with Sanders in order to bring his supporters along.

If I was a Bernie supporter I would be making demands today while the iron is still hot or threaten to walk away.

In other countries they would call it a "Coalition".

We already know that Hillary is just more wars and mayhem. Perhaps just fewer dead than a Trump administration.

It sounds too much like the Communists to hear people say "Do It For The Party".

Calm
 
Redress said:
While some votes are still counted, the result is determined. Clinton will win the democratic nomination, beating Sanders by every imaginable metric. However, Clinton did not get enough pledge delegates to win without a few super-delegates. This is a formality, as the super-delegates will support Clinton at the convention. So when does Sanders concede? Poll incoming.
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Probably after his meeting with Obama and Biden and they hint to him that the might have him whacked if he doesn't drop out.
 
calm said:
Can Clinton win the general election without the votes of Bernie supporters?

If not, then she needs to negotiate with Sanders in order to bring his supporters along.

If I was a Bernie supporter I would be making demands today while the iron is still hot or threaten to walk away.

In other countries they would call it a "Coalition".

We already know that Hillary is just more wars and mayhem. Perhaps just fewer dead than a Trump administration.

It sounds too much like the Communists to hear people say "Do It For The Party".

Calm
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My guess is that Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party WILL make more concessions to Bernie Sanders...and I am happy that will occur.

But the demand tone of some of the supporters, "Do such and such or I will not vote for her"...is an abomination.

Their vote is their ball. If they want to take their ball and go home...take it...and good-riddance.
 
jamesrage said:
Probably after his meeting with Obama and Biden and they hint to him that the might have him whacked if he doesn't drop out.
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I think people like Obama, Biden, Reid, and Warren will work out a way to incorporate elements of Bernie's agenda...because they buy into Bernie's agenda.

And there will be peace between Hillary and Bernie...although I think some of Bernie's supporters are going to sulk...and many may sit this election out.

Takes all kinds.
 
Sanders will never concede. He's a true zealot who isn't interested in winning elections; he's interested in advancing his 'progressive' agenda, which anybody with an IQ over 60 realizes that, at least as far as economics is concerned, is a joke.
 
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