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If David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?

If David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?

  • Yes, anyone other than a white judge would be biased against him.

    Votes: 3 11.1%

  • No. Race, sex, or religious beliefs should not be factored into which judge presides over the case.

    Votes: 24 88.9%
  • Total voters
    27
Trumps stand is simply indefensible on this issue. on so many levels.
SheWolf said:
If you applied Trump's logic, wouldn't a white judge have bias for Duke's whiteness and white power history?
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MaggieD said:
I don't disagree with much here. EXCEPT Southern Democrat's assertion that Trump doing so is RACIST. It most certainly is NOT. It is a legal strategy.
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No, it is not a legal strategy. If it were even a semi-valid justification for recusal, then Trump's attorneys would have filed the motion.

But they didn't. Because they would be censured.
 
X Factor said:
Sorry, I happen to believe words have meaning. If I hate Germans, am I racist? Plenty of folks hate Americans, and often times the political left is sympathetic to those who do, does that make the haters (and their sympathizers) racist?
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Indeed, while all racism is bigotry, not all bigotry is racism. Trump certainly spews some bigoted nonsense but it is not necessarily driven by racism.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The example (bolded above) is a bit different than the poll question. Trump did not object only (or primarily) because the judge assigned to the TU case was of Mexican descent and he did not request only a white (non-Hispanic?) judge. IIRC, the judge in the TU case was funding both La Rasa and the Clinton campaign - both of those organizations publicly and strongly oppose Trump. If supporting multiple groups that are clearly in strong opposition to the defendant is not bias then what, exactly, is bias?

BTW, I voted no based on the judge's race alone.
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1) Not the same La Raza group that is pubcly and strongly against Trump.

2) Campaign contributions are not enough to warrant recusal.

3) Trump did not use those as a reason to say the judge might be biased. Those are the reasons brought up after the interview by Trump's team in attempt to justify Trump and to distract from the reason Trump mentioned: His Mexican parents and his "unfair" rulings.
 
MrT said:
No, it is not a legal strategy. If it were even a semi-valid justification for recusal, then Trump's attorneys would have filed the motion.

But they didn't. Because they would be censured.
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Do you know they're not going to? I would expect they're looking for reasons as we speak -- well beyond his ethnicity. It would be absolutely crazy not to turn over those kinds of rocks.
 
and it plays well to Trumps base. I think that is the only reason he said it and doubled down.
MrT said:
1) Not the same La Raza group that is pubcly and strongly against Trump.

2) Campaign contributions are not enough to warrant recusal.

3) Trump did not use those as a reason to say the judge might be biased. Those are the reasons brought up after the interview by Trump's team in attempt to justify Trump and to distract from the reason Trump mentioned: His Mexican parents and his "unfair" rulings.
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American said:
If a black criminal gets 12 white jurors, is that racist?
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It can be if the prosecuting attorney makes pre-emptory eliminations of the jury pool specifically because of their race.
 
MaggieD said:
Do you know they're not going to? I would expect they're looking for reasons as we speak -- well beyond his ethnicity. It would be absolutely crazy not to turn over those kinds of rocks.
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More than likely not. In fact, I suspect Trump's lawyers are not real happy with him right now.
 
MrT said:
It can be if the prosecuting attorney makes pre-emptory eliminations of the jury pool specifically because of their race.
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That is not allowed, so not real likely.
 
MaggieD said:
Do you know they're not going to? I would expect they're looking for reasons as we speak -- well beyond his ethnicity. It would be absolutely crazy not to turn over those kinds of rocks.
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Trump's attorneys almost certainly considered asking the judge to recuse himself...even before the very first ruling. And I am sure that a search for legally justifiable reasons for the recusal never ended.

You can NOT ask a judge to recuse himself because of his parents. That is legally indefensible and racist.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't disagree with much here. EXCEPT Southern Democrat's assertion that Trump doing so is RACIST. It most certainly is NOT. It is a legal strategy.

Now, I would fully expect that Trump's team would do some background checking...looking at whatever quotes they might find...and other things that would bolster a recusal argument. That's our legal system. We don't suspend it because we don't like the defendant.
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That (bolded above) is nonsense or his legal team would be the one's using it. Questioning the personal integrity of your assigned judge is a terrible legal strategy (except, after the fact, on appeal). He is doing it for political purposes just as most of his other guaranteed to get media attention "outrageous" claims are.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Donald Trump claims that the fact that the judge in Trump University case is of Mexican descent, he is incapable of being fair to him as a judge. So, if David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?
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If you think for a second judges are neutral and never bring in their views your fooling yourself . Look no farther than Sonia Sotomayor stand on abortion, affirmative action and Immigration .
 
Maybe in Trump's America we can get rid of such silly laws.
Redress said:
Yeah, they are called Batson challenges. Not ok to use race as a reason for a peremptory challenge. Your case is the most recent one, but it has been illegal since the 80s.
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ttwtt78640 said:
The example (bolded above) is a bit different than the poll question. Trump did not object only (or primarily) because the judge assigned to the TU case was of Mexican descent and he did not request only a white (non-Hispanic?) judge. IIRC, the judge in the TU case was funding both La Rasa and the Clinton campaign - both of those organizations publicly and strongly oppose Trump. If supporting multiple groups that are clearly in strong opposition to the defendant is not bias then what, exactly, is bias?

BTW, I voted no based on the judge's race alone.
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Trump has called the judge "a Mexican" on numerous occasions and made the claim that because he is "a Mexican", he cannot get a fair trial. He even drew a comparison to having a Muslim judge. Mind you the judge was born an American.
 
cabse5 said:
I voted no to your poll. Let me also interject, if David Duke had a biased against the KKK judge, I would expect the judge to recuse themself due to this partisan belief. We should never allow a Judge Roy Bean. We should always allow impartial judges (SCOTUS, too).

The judge in question belongs to an organization called La Raza. La Raza is an advocacy organization dedicated to Latino concerns. One of which is lessening immigration laws and immigration standards for Latinos in the US. This judge should recuse himself.
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Different La Raza. <link>
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Trump has called the Judge "a Mexican" on numerous occasions and made the claim that because he is "a Mexican", he cannot get a fair trial. He even drew a comparison to having a Muslim judge. Mind you the judge was born an American.
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He was asked about a Muslim judge, he did not really draw the comparison himself, though he did not shy away from it. And the judge is American, whether Trump likes it or not. A rather successful American in fact. Really successful prosecutor.
 
X Factor said:
Mexican is a race? If someone dislikes Americans, are they racist?
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I was waiting for someone to mention this.

What Trump fears is a bias based on Mexican-America culture. In the way the many, many Americans of Mexican decent fly Mexican flags and hold lingering feelings for Mexico and things Mexican. So the fear of a lack of impartiality isn't rooted in racism, but rater cultural allegiances.

Racism doesn't make money, and Trump is all about the cash.
 
Redress said:
He was asked about a Muslim judge, he did not really draw the comparison himself, though he did not shy away from it. And the judge is American, whether Trump likes it or not. A rather successful American in fact. Really successful prosecutor.
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But does he consider himself a Mexican-American? If so, Trumps distrust would be well founded.

Right?
 
Howler63 said:
But does he consider himself a Mexican-American? If so, Trumps distrust would be well founded.

Right?
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What? Can you clarify what the **** your point is?
 
Megan Kelly pointed this fact out almost immediately on Fox News. Did not even slow down the Trumpettes a second, they just keep repeating the La Raza lie. Watch, after you posted this they will keep saying the judge is La Raza. Wont phase them and if they say it often enough, they will truly believe it. the magic of the noise machine.
WillyPete said:
Different La Raza. <link>http://www.debatepolitics.com/
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mak2 said:
It is a racist legal strategy. Trump is playing to the "them" people and taking our country back base, they love that stuff. Of course 'them" people aren't worthy to judge "great Americans" like Trump and the rest of us white people. It is as racist as I can imagine and I am not quite sure the argument it is not. Trump posits the judge cant do him job because he is Mexican. How is that not racist again?
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I agree that he said what he did for some political gain. It plays well with some of his supporters. Trump is really good at these kind of tactics.
 
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