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If David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?

If David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?

  • Yes, anyone other than a white judge would be biased against him.

    Votes: 3 11.1%

  • No. Race, sex, or religious beliefs should not be factored into which judge presides over the case.

    Votes: 24 88.9%
  • Total voters
    27
X Factor said:
Should David Duke have a fair (hypothetical) trial? Does anyone really care?
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I would care, but that is me. I think every one should get a fair trail.. So now that I have answered your question, how about answering mine.
 
Redress said:
Ethnicity, which in this case is treated much like race. There are times when picking nits makes sense. This really is not one of them.
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I thought you believed the term "racist" to be over used? Call it nitpicking if you want, I just happen to believe words have meaning. I bet if the question was about hating Americans you wouldn't be claiming it was racist.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Donald Trump claims that the fact that the judge in Trump University case is of Mexican descent, he is incapable of being fair to him as a judge. So, if David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?
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The example (bolded above) is a bit different than the poll question. Trump did not object only (or primarily) because the judge assigned to the TU case was of Mexican descent and he did not request only a white (non-Hispanic?) judge. IIRC, the judge in the TU case was funding both La Rasa and the Clinton campaign - both of those organizations publicly and strongly oppose Trump. If supporting multiple groups that are clearly in strong opposition to the defendant is not bias then what, exactly, is bias?

BTW, I voted no based on the judge's race alone.
 
mak2 said:
He is saying a judge cannot do his job because he is Mexican. Of course we can define racism in such a way no one can be racist. Some people I known define racism as believing every single person of one race was inferior genetically to every single person of another race. Then they said look, we have Ben Carson so we cannot be racist. I think Trump really wants courts (and everything else) in America divided by race and ethnicity. If he is elected we are back to the 60's. Anyone keep those whites only signs for the drinking fountain?
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If you wish to ignore the correct definition of racism, there's not much I can do. There is a big difference between racism and prejudice or bigotry. You would be wise to distinguish it. Racism is NOT behind every bush.
 
mak2 said:
He is saying a judge cannot do his job because he is Mexican. Of course we can define racism in such a way no one can be racist. Some people I known define racism as believing every single person of one race was inferior genetically to every single person of another race. Then they said look, we have Ben Carson so we cannot be racist. I think Trump really wants courts (and everything else) in America divided by race and ethnicity. If he is elected we are back to the 60's. Anyone keep those whites only signs for the drinking fountain?
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Not to pick on you, but the judge is not Mexican. He is American, born in Chicago.
 
X Factor said:
I thought you believed the term "racist" to be over used? Call it nitpicking if you want, I just happen to believe words have meaning. I bet if the question was about hating Americans you wouldn't be claiming it was racist.
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Who have I called racist? Have you even read my comments in this thread? Hint: I stated I did not think it was racist...
 
Redress said:
Dude, srsly, that was kinda ****ed. He is asking a semi-legit question. Should race/ethnicity be a reason for a judge to recuse themselves?
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I don't know how this works anywhere else, but in Texas it's mostly left up to the judges to recuse themselves if they feel they might not be impartial, or even if it might appear they won't be impartial. If a judge feels that they cannot be impartial due to their own race or nationality or religion then yes, they should recuse themselves.
 
No, actually he was born in Indiana and perhaps you should tell Trump, he is the one calling him Mexican.
Redress said:
Not to pick on you, but the judge is not Mexican. He is American, born in Chicago.
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ttwtt78640 said:
The example (bolded above) is a bit different than the poll question. Trump did not object only (or primarily) because the judge assigned to the TU case was of Mexican descent and he did not request only a white (non-Hispanic?) judge. IIRC, the judge in the TU case was funding both La Rasa and the Clinton campaign - both of those organizations publicly and strongly oppose Trump. If supporting multiple groups that are clearly in strong opposition to the defendant is not bias then what, exactly, is bias?

BTW, I voted no based on the judge's race alone.
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He is not funding La Raza, he is part of an entirely unrelated Hispanic lawyers group called La Raza lawyers of San Diego, who just honored him for a program he organized to teach poor children about the justice system. I find nothing about him donating to Clinton, but the law firm representing those suing Trump did, which is what I think it's out are thinking of.

Ironically, the judge used to be a prosecutor, prosecuting mostly Hispanics...
 
Redress said:
Who have I called racist? Have you even read my comments in this thread? Hint: I stated I did not think it was racist...
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But you thought it was "racial". Hating Americans "racial" too? I've answered your question.
 
mak2 said:
No, actually he was born in Indiana and perhaps you should tell Trump, he is the one calling him Mexican.
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We are kinda both right, East Chicago, Indiana.

And I realize you did not think he was Mexican, sorry if that was not clear. I just thought it was an important point to make.
 
X Factor said:
But you thought it was "racial". Hating Americans "racial" too? I've answered your question.
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Have you given up on making a coherent point? Who is hating Americans in this? What are you even talking about? And no, you have made it a point to not address the topic, answer questions, or anything really relevant.
 
cabse5 said:
I voted no to your poll. Let me also interject, if David Duke had a biased against the KKK judge, I would expect the judge to recuse themself due to this partisan belief. We should never allow a Judge Roy Bean. We should always allow impartial judges (SCOTUS, too).

The judge in question belongs to an organization called La Raza. La Raza is an advocacy organization dedicated to Latino concerns. One of which is lessening immigration laws and immigration standards for Latinos in the US. This judge should recuse himself.
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This is the problem, his political affiliations with being pro illegal aliens while trump is anti illegal immigration..

Lying leftists try to make I about racism..
 
Redress said:
Have you given up on making a coherent point? Who is hating Americans in this? What are you even talking about? And no, you have made it a point to not address the topic, answer questions, or anything really relevant.
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This wasn't an answer and had nothing to do with the topic?

X Factor said:
I don't know how this works anywhere else, but in Texas it's mostly left up to the judges to recuse themselves if they feel they might not be impartial, or even if it might appear they won't be impartial. If a judge feels that they cannot be impartial due to their own race or nationality or religion then yes, they should recuse themselves.
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**** it. Unsubscribing.
 
Orly? said:
This is the problem, his political affiliations with being pro illegal aliens while trump is anti illegal immigration..

Lying leftists try to make I about racism..
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What political affiliation with being pro illegal alien?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is not the same question though. No, it would not surprise me if David Duke hired a racist lawyer that believed that a black judge could not be impartial to David Duke in a case. To believe that a judge cannot be impartial based upon their race or ethnicity is a purely racist belief. So sure, David Duke would probably believe such a thing because David Duke is a racist.
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If a black criminal gets 12 white jurors, is that racist?
 
only if selected by race. White people can be consciences jurors. I think, regardless of race, honorable adults can lay aside their prejudices and judge according to law. Well, unless you are Mexican, of coruse.
American said:
If a black criminal gets 12 white jurors, is that racist?
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mak2 said:
only if selected by race. White people can be consciences jurors. I think, regardless of race, honorable adults can lay aside their prejudices and judge according to law. Well, unless you are Mexican, of coruse.
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What do you think the attorney of a black criminal would do with 12 white jurors? Think he'd trust it?
 
Redress said:
He is not funding La Raza, he is part of an entirely unrelated Hispanic lawyers group called La Raza lawyers of San Diego, who just honored him for a program he organized to teach poor children about the justice system. I find nothing about him donating to Clinton, but the law firm representing those suing Trump did, which is what I think it's out are thinking of.

Ironically, the judge used to be a prosecutor, prosecuting mostly Hispanics...
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Trump is an idiot that seems to think everyone that does not support (or dares to question) his (latest?) nonsense, serving as aa policy position, is biased against him personally. On the other hand, we also have SCOTUS judges that assert that theiir heritage/gender (diversity?) gives them a special power or superior ability to be "more fair" - does that not imply that other judges, of differing herotage/gender, are "less fair"?
 
X Factor said:
Sorry, I happen to believe words have meaning. If I hate Germans, am I racist? Plenty of folks hate Americans, and often times the political left is sympathetic to those who do, does that make the haters (and their sympathizers) racist?
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It’s not a problem of words having no meaning, it’s a problem of words like “race” having multiple meanings (or certainly multiple interpretations).

As I suggested, in some contexts discrimination on grounds of nationality (including American) would fall in to the scope of racism. In some contexts it wouldn’t be called racism but would still be recognised as similarly wrong. In some contexts it might be considered perfectly legitimate, even celebrated.
 
Unless he had something other than race he would have to. You are kidding right?
American said:
What do you think the attorney of a black criminal would do with 12 white jurors? Think he'd trust it?
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Redress said:
What political affiliation with being pro illegal alien?
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He gives illegal aliens college scolarships and is an activist pretty much the opposite of trumps immigration stance..
 
Reference please.
Orly? said:
He gives illegal aliens college scolarships and is an activist pretty much the opposite of trumps immigration stance..
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Orly? said:
He gives illegal aliens college scolarships and is an activist pretty much the opposite of trumps immigration stance..
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He does? He is? Got evidence that is not Alex Jones?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Donald Trump claims that the fact that the judge in Trump University case is of Mexican descent, he is incapable of being fair to him as a judge. So, if David Duke were sued, should he only get a white judge?
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If you applied Trump's logic, wouldn't a white judge have bias for Duke's whiteness and white power history?
 
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