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Was Trump right to attack this judge?

Was Trump right to attack this judge?


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I think, if the judge or his parents are from Mexico, that it's reasonable for Trump to ask the judge to recuse himself. I sincerely believe that, within our legal system in cases like this, even the PERCEPTION of bias should be avoided.

But this whole "hater" crap? Where did that come from. In his statement he made it clear that "we believe" (not know) that he is Mexican. Seriously.

Prejudging the judge before you really know him? Sounds like bigotry to me.

Does this judge have a history of cutting slack to Mexicans ?
 
Well , if 20 million of his Country men and women could be deported how neutral could he be ??? A duh moment . :shock:

I don't consider the Scottish to be my Countrymen. What makes you think he considers Mexicans to be his Countrymen?
What nationality are your Countrymen?
How many generations does it take before only people in your own Country are considered Countrymen>
 
What La Raza it is doesn't matter - La Raza literally means "The Race". Again, had he been white as a welsh coal miner and belonged to an org with the white race being in the title, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Zzzzzz.... Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself.

"Many people incorrectly translate the name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”

Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. In contrast, the term “Hispanic” has its origins in the 1970 U.S. Census, and the term “Latino” was officially adopted in 1997 by the U.S. Government in the ethnonym “Hispanic or Latino.”

Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny."

The Name | San Diego's Latino/Latina Bar Association
 
I think, if the judge or his parents are from Mexico, that it's reasonable for Trump to ask the judge to recuse himself. I sincerely believe that, within our legal system in cases like this, even the PERCEPTION of bias should be avoided.

What perception of bias? Are you saying Trump attacked his parents?
 
I don't consider the Scottish to be my Countrymen. What makes you think he considers Mexicans to be his Countrymen?
What nationality are your Countrymen?
How many generations does it take before only people in your own Country are considered Countrymen>

Do you refer to yourself as Scottish American or just American ? I claim to be American !
 
Yes, and? Go on.

Oh , I see liberal , well takes much more time than I'm willing to spend with you . Work on it and perhaps you get it . If you get stuck then I'm sure you will refer to me as the racist . :roll::shock:
 
Oh , I see liberal , well takes much more time than I'm willing to spend with you . Work on it and perhaps you get it . If you get stuck then I'm sure you will refer to me as the racist . :roll::shock:

What precisely shall I work on? Arriving at conclusions with no understanding of how I got there? I think you've got that covered for the rest of us, thanks.
 
Oh , I see liberal , well takes much more time than I'm willing to spend with you . Work on it and perhaps you get it . If you get stuck then I'm sure you will refer to me as the racist . :roll::shock:

It is his fault you can't defend your point?
 
Why refer to yourself as Mexican American , and not just American . How many years does it take to assimilate ?

Ask the residents of Boston on St. Patrick's Day.
 
Gonzalo Curiel wanted to make this case public; an attempt to hang Trump's perceived dirty laundry out in public for all to see. Curiel should have expected public criticism. If he doesn't like it, then he should have rethought his decision to put Trump's **** out on the street.
 
Gonzalo Curiel wanted to make this case public; an attempt to hang Trump's perceived dirty laundry out in public for all to see. Curiel should have expected public criticism. If he doesn't like it, then he should have rethought his decision to put Trump's **** out on the street.

Has he complained? Think hard about the answer to that one.
 
Has he complained? Think hard about the answer to that one.

He doesn't need to, plenty of people are whining for him.

Those people doing the whining should take the same advice, because the release of the court documents blew up in their faces.
 
Trump's problem in this case is its unfortunate coincidence with his Presidential run.

If he was wise he should say that he let his issues with the Judge distract from the campaign, but because it's a personal matter he'll speak no more about it and will let his attorneys deal with it.
 
He doesn't need to, plenty of people are whining for him.

Those people doing the whining should take the same advice, because the release of the court documents blew up in their faces.

No one is whining for him. He does not need our support. We are talking about what Trump said. This is a large, unsubtle difference.
 
The judge was born in Indiana. The judge is as American as Trump. Trump was way out of line here. There is nothing to discuss here.

Trump is an absolute disaster.

An embarrassment. His parents were naturalized citizens. He has been a citizen all of his life (over 60 years). As prosecutor he put himself in harm's way by going against the Mexican drug cartels. The dude is a model citizen by all accounts. But he is reduced to "hater" status by Trump. Trump who as POTUS would be expected to respect and admire what a person like this judge has done.

The heart of bigotry (IMHO) is judging someone by a certain trait and not the quality of their character. Trump clearly and emphatically has done just that.

Interesting quick read.

5 things to know about Judge Gonzalo Curiel - CNNPolitics.com
 
No one is whining for him. He does not need our support. We are talking about what Trump said. This is a large, unsubtle difference.

Like hell no one is...lol!

How many times has Trump been called a racist for calling Curiel out? The funniest part is that Mexico isn't a race.
 
Trump's problem in this case is its unfortunate coincidence with his Presidential run.

If he was wise he should say that he let his issues with the Judge distract from the campaign, but because it's a personal matter he'll speak no more about it and will let his attorneys deal with it.

I think Trump's problems in this situation started when he decided to use one of his rallies to put pressure on a judge that is adjudicating a matter to deal with his personal business. This case has nothing to do with 'Making America Great Again'

I would think Trump would use his campaign stops to sell his vision for the future of America. If he continues to use his bully pulpit to bring pressure on the judge, or do other things that are designed to advance his personal interests, then I think he will start bleeding support rather than build it.

There are no end of politicians in this Country who are there to advance their own interests. Part of Trump's charm was that he was not in it for that. If he starts to show that not to be true, his political life will be a short one.

I agree with you that if he was to play it wise he would do as you suggest. My bet? He will do no such thing.
 
Like hell no one is...lol!

How many times has Trump been called a racist for calling Curiel out? The funniest part is that Mexico isn't a race.

That is about Trump, not Curiel. That is not even a subtle distinction.
 
I understand why people are talking about him so much.

But I am absolutely sick of this guy.
 
I understand why people are talking about him so much.

But I am absolutely sick of this guy.

People on this forum have been saying that for about four months now. Going off of personal memory, that's roughly about when I first heard someone say "I am completely sick of hearing about Donald Trump." We have five months to go.

Even if he isn't elected, Trump is absolutely determined that his name will be the horrible pop song running on an infinite loop in your brain until you finally kill yourself.
 
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