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Bernie Sander Supporters, if Hillary is the nominee will you vote for trump?

Bernie Sander Supporters, if Hillary is the nominee will you vote trump?


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News flash ... Men generally have better public speaking voices ...
How does AM of Germany do it ?
Or, MT in England, a few years ago .

WoW, now there's a reason not to vote for someone. The sound of their voice. Brilliant.
 
This is like when extreme liberals say all republicans are racists.
Or when either side says the other is composed of mindless drones following the party line.
It's not true in all cases, but they're using the few examples as a brush to paint the whole group.
Liberals, like any group, are actually individuals with their own ideas and ideals, who accept the liberal term because the ideas and ideals ascribed to that group fit them in a general way.

One appeals to people being treated like adults, the other side is made up of millions of those who want to remain perpetual children ruled by control freaks who want to be everyone's adults
It's all well and good to say everyone needs to be self-sufficient, but I think there is a need for safety nets to keep people from crashing too hard, and ways to support them until they heal enough to stand on their own if needed.
There also is a need for some form of quality assurance and safety checks on damn near everything - some things I think could be handled by the companies themselves, others have enough potential problems from mishandling that governmental testing and examination may be necessary to prevent deaths.

One trusts honest Americans to be as well armed as somewhat trained police and dangerous criminals, the other side only wants criminals and the government to be armed
I frankly do not trust everyone who owns a firearm (or any weapon, frankly) to be well-trained in it's use.
But my preferred solution to that is mandatory training for anyone who wants to own a weapon.

One side thinks we can tax our way to prosperity and the way to make unproductive and untalented people better off is to punish those who are productive and resourceful while the other side thinks that addicting people to government handouts is deleterious in the long run
Personally I think we need to have enough support systems in place that productive and talented persons (especially children) have access to quality education and training - no matter what area or income level they live in.
I would accept a tax increase to provide funding for that kind of thing. But frankly I think it has to come down to state-level funding being provided to areas which have small economies.

I think unlimited government handouts may end up being bad for some people - but at the same time there are many who will use them only as long as they need to in order to survive and become self-sufficient again.
The solution to the negative effect is NOT to eliminate the support, but rather to focus it.

One side thinks that American corporations exist to fund vote buying schemes politicians use to remain in office while others understand that if we tax corporations too much, they will take their jobs and resources overseas.
Corporations currently have far too much political power, largely because they can donate massive sums of money to politicians.
Elections should be publicly funded and each candidate should have the same budget.
I agree that raising taxes too high will have a negative effect, but I'm unsure where the tipping point is.

One thinks its wrong for corporations to be able to lobby for the politicians it likes but thinks the Unions should be free to do so while the other thinks that the constitution allows free speech
Elections should be publicly funded and every candidate should have the same exact budget.

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One side appeals to the masculine values of independence, self sufficiency and freedom while the other side caters to the anti-masculine side that craves control, dependence and political correctness
There's a balance in the middle somewhere that needs to be the real goal. I don't think any of these things are either pro or anti-masculine, it's a matter of individual perspective.
Independence is excellent until it negatively effects another person's independence.
Control can be useful until it stifles creativity and such.
Self-sufficiency is great for some people, but others need community - and communities provide many services which make life easier and more comfortable for people who live within them. Security, services, support, etc.
Dependency fits into that - if you're someone who is more comfortable in a community which is safer and provides services, you could call yourself dependent - but unless you do nothing productive, you're going to be paying taxes and whatnot to the community for those services and such, so it's not really dependency so much as interdependency.
Freedom is an ideal. Individual freedom is limited by the freedoms of others. Where the line is drawn between the two is a matter of constant debate, and frankly seems to vary from area to area, community to community.
Political correctness is largely a farce - sure, some things that can be said are really questionable, but none of it should be criminalized. In my ideal world every questionable statement would be examined in the entire context of it's utterance - but we now live in a world of soundbites and half-minute video clips, instantly formed opinions and echo chamber social groups which instantly and constantly reinforce our preferred positions.

I sometimes wonder if we'll keep going this way until some monumental horror comes of our minuscule attention spans and desire to be sycophantically confirmed by peers - then slowly return to a more contemplative existence, rather than our current instant reaction system.

Probably not.

Edit: Hmm...that turned into a bit of a ran towards the end...
 
Some of these people think that because they vote for Republicans and conservatives...they are "thinking people" and those of us who do not...are "non-thinking people."

Hey...they are wrong to vote they way they do...and they are wrong to think we are non-thinking because we see the Republican Party and American conservatism for the pustules they are on the body politic.

At least they are consistent.

Ya gotta give 'em that.

Liberal indoctrination by the education system. Academia (smart people) is accused of liberal bias. Yet we are the non thinking ones according to these conservatives. Up is down and black is white.
 
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Generations of people are dependent on the government and think thats a pretty cool thing.

Generation of people are dependent on the government. It's true. It's the elderly, military veterans, the mentally challenged, the sick and the physically weak. We are a benevolent society and because of that our people live better quality lives than any in the history of the world.

People lobby and petition for McJobs as careers. Education is in steady decline.

For many people a Mcjob is all they will ever be capable of. Education is more demanding than ever before. Knowledge and information doubles every 30 years. My grandkids spend at least 3 hours doing homework every damn single day. It's very, very difficult and time consuming for them and their parents.

The nation is so mind****ed they have decided there are 58 different genders...and counting.

That's because it's true. Gender identity is not black and white for everyone. We are dealing with a continuous spectrum.

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This is like when extreme liberals say all republicans are racists.
Or when either side says the other is composed of mindless drones following the party line.
It's not true in all cases, but they're using the few examples as a brush to paint the whole group.
Liberals, like any group, are actually individuals with their own ideas and ideals, who accept the liberal term because the ideas and ideals ascribed to that group fit them in a general way.

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I'm in the center and I say that anyone on either side who follows the party line continually is a mindless drone.

If you (generic you) cannot find something or someone you like on the other side, you're not trying. The world is not black-and-white.
 
I'm in the center and I say that anyone on either side who follows the party line continually is a mindless drone.

If you (generic you) cannot find something or someone you like on the other side, you're not trying. The world is not black-and-white.
I meant that (to me at least) it seems clear the parties are NOT composed solely of mindless drones - whatever the various vocal types say about either.

And I agree with your second statement.
 
I'm in the center and I say that anyone on either side who follows the party line continually is a mindless drone.

If you (generic you) cannot find something or someone you like on the other side, you're not trying. The world is not black-and-white.

By what standard do you mean by "like"? Like them as a person. Someone you would love to sit down and enjoy the company of?

When I pick a political candidate I do so based upon the issues which are important to me. Not whether or not I like their hair color, the sound of their voice etc. For instance, I am a strong advocate of the Environmental Protection Agency. I am a strong advocate for the very rapid development and deployment of clean energy. Why on Earth would I vote for any Republican when they as a party seek the absolute, exact opposite? The entire Republican congressional caucus has in the past voted as a block that they do not accept the science of man made global warming. Why on Earth would I vote for any of them? I will not support any of them. Not a single one until they sincerely change their stance on those issues and several others.
 
that's really stupid to assume that the conservative movement is monolithic.

Those are some of the larger issues which the conservative movement places as top priority for them. It's not an assumption and it's not stupid. It's reality.

why do you think your existence is a positive requirement that someone else pay for it?

Because we live in a society featuring interdependency. None of us is an island. We all depend on one another for nearly everything modern life demands.

why do you think making laws that only impact people who have never harmed anyone with guns will somehow prevent criminals who cannot own guns as it is, from committing crime with firearms?

I don't think that. You think I think that.

Why do you think taxing the rich more will make unproductive people more productive

I don't think that. You think I think that. Unproductive people will remain unproductive no matter what the rich pay in taxes.
 
Those are some of the larger issues which the conservative movement places as top priority for them. It's not an assumption and it's not stupid. It's reality.



Because we live in a society featuring interdependency. None of us is an island. We all depend on one another for nearly everything modern life demands.



I don't think that. You think I think that.



I don't think that. You think I think that. Unproductive people will remain unproductive no matter what the rich pay in taxes.

you couldn't figure out you were doing just what you claim the right does
 
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