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Should isolated tribes be left alone?[W:19]

Should isolated tribes be left alone?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 86.7%

  • No

    Votes: 4 13.3%
  • Total voters
    30
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

Paleocon said:
You're either assuming that knowledge of our way of life will automatically make them embrace it, or that their way is superior.

Both of those are rather risible.
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If you spread the knowledge of the modern world to them you are irreversibly altering them and their culture forever.
Do you have the wisdom required to make that decision for another human being? For an entire human tribe? For another human's culture?
I would think that the tribe would want to make that decision for themselves.
They really should have a say in the matter, as it is their future we are talking about irreversibly altering, is it not?

So no, I'm not assuming that knowledge of our way of life will automatically make them embrace it, what I'm saying is that they should be the sole determinant if this knowledge is to be spread in their population.

We've seen similar instances when cultures meet, the young are drawn to the novelty and the old remain in tied to the old ways. If the new culture become prevasive enough in the young, the old ways fall to the way side.

Do you have the wisdom to decide for another culture, another human population, whether to introduce that knowledge?
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

LOL

I would want the benefits of the modern world/medicine if it were me

leave the religion out of it

look at the infighting between supposedly professing Christians in this thread alone

I am a Christian/no you aren't I am/I am right/no you are wrong, I am right

god help us all and save us from the religious who attempt to save us
 
Paleocon said:
Trying to impose things like electricity is not prudent, but many aspects of their way of life need to be corrected. Infanticide and nudism for starters.
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yes because nudism is baaaaaaaaaaad, especially in those hot climates...they need suits and such to protect them from sun burn...

you should pray for guidance...seriously....on you knees daily, ask him to open your mind just a squeak and your heart a whole lot
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

azgreg said:
Why? What did they do to you to bring that amount of punishment upon them?
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I agree- they should be Protestant.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

Paleocon said:
Indeed, it diid. Most Indians have embraced civilization and Catholicism (remember that more live in Latin America than in the US and Canada). You snicker but without cause.
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How many Protestant were around when the Spanish did their so called civilization therapy?
Oh right - gold- silver- precious metals and slaves for the mines.
 
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SDET said:
I can think of lots of words to describe Latin America and "blessed" one of them. I know through observation that the Pentecostals (and I'm not a Pentecostal) have recently had the most success in evangelizing indigenous population in South America.
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Mormons as well.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

JANFU said:
Mormons as well.
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Now that you mention it I see those unfortunate young men riding around on bicycles in their white shirts on Brazil's Federal highways. That's not a nice way for them to treat their faithful. How would you like to ride on a bicycle in these conditions wearing clothes suited for cool weather?



 
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Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

eohrnberger said:
If you spread the knowledge of the modern world to them you are irreversibly altering them and their culture forever.
Do you have the wisdom required to make that decision for another human being? For an entire human tribe? For another human's culture?
I would think that the tribe would want to make that decision for themselves.
They really should have a say in the matter, as it is their future we are talking about irreversibly altering, is it not?

So no, I'm not assuming that knowledge of our way of life will automatically make them embrace it, what I'm saying is that they should be the sole determinant if this knowledge is to be spread in their population.

We've seen similar instances when cultures meet, the young are drawn to the novelty and the old remain in tied to the old ways. If the new culture become prevasive enough in the young, the old ways fall to the way side.

Do you have the wisdom to decide for another culture, another human population, whether to introduce that knowledge?
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Anytime you do anything, you are irreversibly altering the world.

They can't choose whether to be told of something. In order to make the choice, they must have the knowledge.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

JANFU said:
How many Protestant were around when the Spanish did their so called civilization therapy?
Oh right - gold- silver- precious metals and slaves for the mines.
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Exactly.

Oil is black gold -- the most precious thing on Earth next to wheat, rice, clean water, and clean air.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

Paleocon said:
It's your contention that the Israelites didn't venerate their ancestors?
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Did Noah pray to/venerate Adam? Did Moses pray to/venerate Noah, Joseph and others that came before him? Did David do the same? Did Solomon build and name synagogues after Moses, and other Hebrews before them and build statues of them? Did the Israelites make them patron saints of various occupations and events? I don't remember the Jews in the bible doing that.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

jamesrage said:
Did Noah pray to/venerate Adam? Did Moses pray to/venerate Noah, Joseph and others that came before him? Did David do the same? Did Solomon build and name synagogues after Moses, and other Hebrews before them and build statues of them? Did the Israelites make them patron saints of various occupations and events? I don't remember the Jews in the bible doing that.
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Nice avoiding the question.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

Paleocon said:
Anytime you do anything, you are irreversibly altering the world.

They can't choose whether to be told of something. In order to make the choice, they must have the knowledge.
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It's not the role of others to drag these people, possibly kicking and screaming, into changing their entire existence.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

''other''
of course , Either ''absolute'' is not good , nor fair.. In the past , and even today, we were wrong in trying to force ourselves, our ''culture'', our religion(in particular) upon others . Maybe most of us are finally realizing this ..
 
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Paleocon said:
Nice avoiding the question.
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You asked if it was my contention that the Israelite didn't venerate their ancestors. I basically responded by asking you if the Israelite did the same thing that phony Christians IE Catholics do. The Israelites did not do the same thing thing Catholics did.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

eohrnberger said:
It's not the role of others to drag these people, possibly kicking and screaming, into changing their entire existence.
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Good thing you were here to correct the pixies in your head that said that.

jamesrage said:
The Israelites did not do the same thing thing Catholics did.
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Paleocon said:
The comparison between Jewish rebellion against God and Protestant rebellion against God, has merit.
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Viking11 said:
Isolated tribes are communities who live without significant contact with modern civilization.
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Yes. In the most careful way possible in order to mitigate the impact of disease and other harms, but yes. I find it abhorrent that there are claves of humanity that are entirely isolated from the rest of the species such that they are essentially not members of our heritage or our future trajectory. They are being left behind as we reach into the stars and plum the depths of nature primarily so they can remain as anthropological oddities for us to study. That isn't charity it's treating them like denizens of a Zoo. The transition will be painful, we're bringing some groups thousands of years forward in terms of historical development, but their descendants will benefit from rejoining the species and gaining a portion of our noble inheritance.
 
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earthworm said:
''other''
of course , Either ''absolute'' is not good , nor fair.. In the past , and even today, we were wrong in trying to force ourselves, our ''culture'', our religion(in particular) upon others . Maybe most of us are finally realizing this ..
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One can present the gospel without radically altering the culture. I don't see any prohibition in scripture for eating monkey, going without electricity and refusing the white man's way of life. I would hope you wouldn't want to impose your cultural Marxism on them either. Indigenous people in the Amazon can be quite racist.
 
Sherman123 said:
Yes. In the most careful way possible in order to mitigate the impact of disease and other harms, but yes. I find it abhorrent that there are claves of humanity that are entirely isolated from the rest of the species such that they are essentially not members of our heritage or our future trajectory. They are being left behind as we reach into the stars and plum the depths of nature primarily so they can remain as anthropological oddities for us to study. That isn't charity it's treating them like denizens of a Zoo. The transition will be painful, we're bringing some groups thousands of years forward in terms of historical development, but their descendants will benefit from rejoining the species and gaining a portion of our noble inheritance.
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Yeah, dump 'em into the slums of Belem or Manaus. How compassionate. Indigenous culture spans a continuum. Some are just short people with a round face, darker skin, perhaps wearing a suit and tie as an executive of a Brazilian corporation. Some are semi-assimilated, known as Caboclos. They would be the US equivalent of residents of rural Appalachia. Then there are tribes that have contact with the white man, machetes drawn if you provoke them. Finally there are those that don't have contact with the white man and don't desire it either.
 
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Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

Lovebug said:
Their way of life should be respected. If they invite a member of the so called civilized world, so be it. If they don't, let them be.
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Be ye liberal or conservative .. it matters not .. I fully agree .
Key word is respect ..
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

Paleocon said:
No. They should be civilized, and taught the Catholic faith.
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AKA ... stirring up ****.
That many, in the religious community , felt this way a long time ago, not so good ..What is worse is that some still feel this ''way''.
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

TurtleDude said:
and if they don't? burn them at the stake? ever see the movie Aguirre, Der Zorn Gottes (Aguirre the Wrath of God)/ I am sure you'd love what happened to the Amazon basin Indian Couple that claimed they couldn't hear the word of God in the bible
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We have , since Day One, done so many horrible things to our fellow man ..makes me, at times, to be ashamed to be a ''human being'' .. I am no better , I'd like to wring the necks of those who advocate interference and unwanted ''help'' ...
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

Paleocon said:
If they don't what? Act civilized? There are certain types of uncivil acts (e.g. infanticide) which should result in death sentences, but as a general rule no.

It goes without saying that the Catholic faith can only be accepted freely, and not through force. All I said is that they should be told about it, as it is the duty of those who have the truth to spread it to the less unfortunate people of the world. If they choose to reject it, that is their own affair, but if they are not told, then it is the fault of Catholics.
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We, sure as hell, are NOT civilized, so who are we to judge others ?
 
Re: Should isolated tribes be left alone?

jamesrage said:
If all they want to be left alone not just a few individuals sure, but at the same time we shouldn't hide our presence and technology from them.
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A difficult problem ..we must respect their space , but cannot as our people demand more and more space .. We DO need population control and MUST ask the Chinese for help in this area.
 
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