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Should public restrooms still be segregated by gender?

Should public restrooms still be segregated by gender?

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chromium said:
problem is it's the same argument as always - "comfort" was the excuse used to keep gays out of the military and out of public facilities, and even today, all kinds of jobs, housing, and services that don't require any amount of undress at all

should we accommodate the kind of discomfort that is nothing but prejudice?

if the discomfort being irrational is truly out of sharing a restroom with the opposite sex, i have sympathy for that. If it's just being around lgbt, obviously not. I suspect in north carolina they would ban lgbt from going anywhere public if they could, which is why they did away with employment protections for this specific group
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I guess this is where the rubber hits the road. Gays, and their supporters, trans etc think their comfort trumps that of everyone else. and in some cases that should happen. Which is why I support gay marriage which should be a fundamental right and if bothers some straights to HAVE TO THINK ABOUT GAYS being married-too frigging bad. But for a big hairy dude to be able to walk into the ladies room because he claims he "feels like a woman" even if he hasn't done squat to become one and he has to be accommodated is complete and utter crap and it doesn't help the LGBT movement to push for such nonsense.

I think most of us don't have any issue with someone who has undergone the surgery and physically resembles a female to use the ladies' toilets. And as I noted, who is going to notice anyway. same with someone who is on their way to transitioning. As someone noted, unless you have an inspector, who is going to know. But this movement also allows anyone who merely claims they are the sex they obviously are not to use that restroom-that is going too far and its unreasonable

it also doesn't help your movement.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am surprised that someone has not injected the usual libertarian argument into this:

"The problem is that we have public restrooms. The government should get out of restrooms entirely and they should all be privatized." ;)
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actually the real surprise is the "separate but equal" argument hasn't been raised by those who want unisex bathrooms. for example, why do men get urinals and women don't? why do women get tampon dispensers? should they also have condom dispensers if the men's restroom does?

this is why the country is going down the toilet. all the faux indignation over such a stupid issue
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess this is where the rubber hits the road. Gays, and their supporters, trans etc think their comfort trumps that of everyone else. and in some cases that should happen. Which is why I support gay marriage which should be a fundamental right and if bothers some straights to HAVE TO THINK ABOUT GAYS being married-too frigging bad. But for a big hairy dude to be able to walk into the ladies room because he claims he "feels like a woman" even if he hasn't done squat to become one and he has to be accommodated is complete and utter crap and it doesn't help the LGBT movement to push for such nonsense.

I think most of us don't have any issue with someone who has undergone the surgery and physically resembles a female to use the ladies' toilets. And as I noted, who is going to notice anyway. same with someone who is on their way to transitioning. As someone noted, unless you have an inspector, who is going to know. But this movement also allows anyone who merely claims they are the sex they obviously are not to use that restroom-that is going too far and its unreasonable

it also doesn't help your movement.
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At the end of the day...thats what it has all come down to. People are so invested in pushing their agenda and cause that they willingly and intentionally abandon all reason.
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess this is where the rubber hits the road. Gays, and their supporters, trans etc think their comfort trumps that of everyone else. and in some cases that should happen. Which is why I support gay marriage which should be a fundamental right and if bothers some straights to HAVE TO THINK ABOUT GAYS being married-too frigging bad. But for a big hairy dude to be able to walk into the ladies room because he claims he "feels like a woman" even if he hasn't done squat to become one and he has to be accommodated is complete and utter crap and it doesn't help the LGBT movement to push for such nonsense.

I think most of us don't have any issue with someone who has undergone the surgery and physically resembles a female to use the ladies' toilets. And as I noted, who is going to notice anyway. same with someone who is on their way to transitioning. As someone noted, unless you have an inspector, who is going to know. But this movement also allows anyone who merely claims they are the sex they obviously are not to use that restroom-that is going too far and its unreasonable

it also doesn't help your movement.
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no because "gender they identify with" would not include mike tyson trying to perv on the female restroom

it doesn't help the bigot movement to require birth certificates, if you haven't noticed the backlash, so whatever, goes around comes around. I never claimed to be above revenge, so for that state aside from maybe charlotte i indeed push for mixed gender facilities *regardless* of gender identity
 
I haven't read the whole thread. Forgive me if this has been mentioned already.

Registered sex offenders use public restrooms.

Public restrooms are not a "safe zone". With that being said, your wife, daughter, grandmother, or aunt is still more likely to be attacked in the parking lot.
 
A commentator wrote this elsewhere in response to that Caitlyn may want to go back to "he":

Caitlyn is still a man acting like a woman and at 20 times greater risk of suicide than population average.

How is playing along with a mental disorder helping these people? Do you encourage anorectics to eat less?

In unrelated news, legalimmigrant has confessed he is transitioning to become a liberal. The brain surgery will be performed at the Cook County Hospital.
 
legalimmigrant said:
In unrelated news, legalimmigrant has confessed he is transitioning to become a liberal. The brain surgery will be performed at the Cook County Hospital.
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Well, isn't that just great! Now you can actually begin to think rationally, and join the rest of us here in reality! [emoji12] [emoji12] [emoji8]
 
chromium said:
no because "gender they identify with" would not include mike tyson trying to perv on the female restroom

it doesn't help the bigot movement to require birth certificates, if you haven't noticed the backlash, so whatever, goes around comes around. I never claimed to be above revenge, so for that state aside from maybe charlotte i indeed push for mixed gender facilities *regardless* of gender identity
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1) i am not defending the birth certificate nonsense. I have consistently stated that trans individuals who honestly identify with the opposite gender of which they were born with should not be penalized of using a toilet consistent with their chosen gender

2) do you think that a man should be able to enter the ladies lavatory just because he feels like it? we aren't talking about true transgendered individuals. But that is what you are pushing for
 
TurtleDude said:
1) i am not defending the birth certificate nonsense. I have consistently stated that trans individuals who honestly identify with the opposite gender of which they were born with should not be penalized of using a toilet consistent with their chosen gender

2) do you think that a man should be able to enter the ladies lavatory just because he feels like it? we aren't talking about true transgendered individuals. But that is what you are pushing for
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Bad idea. How would you know if they are honest?

In fact, every liar starts with "trust me", "honestly", or "I swear on my mother's grave." What the true TG's get is a written statement from their physician. With that in hand, they can go to the nearest DMV and have new ID's issued with "female" instead of "male" on them.

This way it's all legal, and does away with "honesty" and the "how I feel" crap.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I guess this is where the rubber hits the road. Gays, and their supporters, trans etc think their comfort trumps that of everyone else. and in some cases that should happen. Which is why I support gay marriage which should be a fundamental right and if bothers some straights to HAVE TO THINK ABOUT GAYS being married-too frigging bad. But for a big hairy dude to be able to walk into the ladies room because he claims he "feels like a woman" even if he hasn't done squat to become one and he has to be accommodated is complete and utter crap and it doesn't help the LGBT movement to push for such nonsense.

I think most of us don't have any issue with someone who has undergone the surgery and physically resembles a female to use the ladies' toilets. And as I noted, who is going to notice anyway. same with someone who is on their way to transitioning. As someone noted, unless you have an inspector, who is going to know. But this movement also allows anyone who merely claims they are the sex they obviously are not to use that restroom-that is going too far and its unreasonable

it also doesn't help your movement.
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I would even go so far as to say that "bottom surgery" would not be required. As I understand it, trans people live for awhile as their chosen gender and I still think those people should be able to use the bathroom of the gender they're living as.

To say that women should just have to put up with big hairy dudes pissing in the sink (because there's no urinal) is unreasonable IMO and if advocates insist on in, it'll hurt their cause.
 
legalimmigrant said:
Bad idea. How would you know if they are honest?

In fact, every liar starts with "trust me", "honestly", or "I swear on my mother's grave." What the true TG's get is a written statement from their physician. With that in hand, they can go to the nearest DMV and have new ID's issued with "female" instead of "male" on them.

This way it's all legal, and does away with "honesty" and the "how I feel" crap.
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I don't think this has to be so complex as to require that folks show ID to use the bathroom. I see a dude in the bathroom who looks a like he may have been a woman before but is presenting themselves as male, I'm not going to spend any time dwelling on their actual plumbing.
 
X Factor said:
I would even go so far as to say that "bottom surgery" would not be required. As I understand it, trans people live for awhile as their chosen gender and I still think those people should be able to use the bathroom of the gender they're living as.

To say that women should just have to put up with big hairy dudes pissing in the sink (because there's no urinal) is unreasonable IMO and if advocates insist on in, it'll hurt their cause.
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Let's take your excellent example a step further. A hairy dude is visiting his 8-year-old daughter's school. All of a sudden, he needs to go pee pee because he just had one six pack of Bud too many. But today he feels he is a girl so he goes straight to the restroom where the little girls do what comes naturally.

Here are possible responses from liberals: (1) that's hypothetical, (2) until he commits a crime, no harm, (3) you are a homophobe, (4) girls can scream very loudly...

Did I miss anything?
 
X Factor said:
I don't think this has to be so complex as to require that folks show ID to use the bathroom. I see a dude in the bathroom who looks a like he may have been a woman before but is presenting themselves as male, I'm not going to spend any time dwelling on their actual plumbing.
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I never suggested posting an ID check point by the entrance to every bathroom. This response I would expect from a liberal, as they always like bringing any debate to its extreme point of absurdity. It would be just as ridiculous as posting a cop by each house to check that a guy driving away has a valid license.

The police in Palatine told me that in the event there is a complaint, the first thing they would do is ask for the driver's license to ID and to check if they are dealing with a man or a woman. Period. No cop would suggest that the person in front should drop his pants. This pants dropping scenario is always used by the libs to turn a debate into a farce.
 
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legalimmigrant said:
Bad idea. How would you know if they are honest?

In fact, every liar starts with "trust me", "honestly", or "I swear on my mother's grave." What the true TG's get is a written statement from their physician. With that in hand, they can go to the nearest DMV and have new ID's issued with "female" instead of "male" on them.

This way it's all legal, and does away with "honesty" and the "how I feel" crap.
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a little too much government for me.
 
legalimmigrant said:
Let's take your excellent example a step further. A hairy dude is visiting his 8-year-old daughter's school. All of a sudden, he needs to go pee pee because he just had one six pack of Bud too many. But today he feels he is a girl so he goes straight to the restroom where the little girls do what comes naturally.

Here are possible responses from liberals: (1) that's hypothetical, (2) until he commits a crime, no harm, (3) you are a homophobe, (4) girls can scream very loudly...

Did I miss anything?
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The girls screaming would mean they're homophobes. You did forget option (5) go outside an pee on the side of the building because those kids in the schoolyard have no right to feel "comfortable" and if they do, they're homophobes too.
 
VanceMack said:
At the end of the day...thats what it has all come down to. People are so invested in pushing their agenda and cause that they willingly and intentionally abandon all reason.
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Not just abandon reason but become actually hostile to it.
 
TurtleDude said:
a little too much government for me.
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Do you have a driver's license, or do you drive without one because getting one is "a little too much government for me"?

If you have one, did you notice letter M or does it say "whatever you feel you are"?

Police are authorized to identify people. One of the parameters is sex: M or L.
 
legalimmigrant said:
Do you have a driver's license, or do you drive without one because getting one is "a little too much government for me"?

If you have one, did you notice letter M or does it say "whatever you feel you are"?

Police are authorized to identify people. One of the parameters is sex: M or L.
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I don't have to show an ID to dump a turd of piss in a urinal. and that is the way it should be
 
chromium said:
no because "gender they identify with" would not include mike tyson trying to perv on the female restroom

it doesn't help the bigot movement to require birth certificates, if you haven't noticed the backlash, so whatever, goes around comes around. I never claimed to be above revenge, so for that state aside from maybe charlotte i indeed push for mixed gender facilities *regardless* of gender identity
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The thing is that advocating for "revenge" policies will have it's own backlash. I will admit that I had zero idea of this deep resentment the left has had all this time being forced to reveal their gender by going into a public bathroom. Lol.
 
X Factor said:
The girls screaming would mean they're homophobes. You did forget option (5) go outside an pee on the side of the building because those kids in the schoolyard have no right to feel "comfortable" and if they do, they're homophobes too.
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duly noted and corrected
 
TheGoverness said:
Well, isn't that just great! Now you can actually begin to think rationally, and join the rest of us here in reality! [emoji12] [emoji12] [emoji8]
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Yes, a reality where the law protects grown men entering and using the same bathrooms/locker rooms as teenage girls. :2razz:
 
X Factor said:
The thing is that advocating for "revenge" policies will have it's own backlash. I will admit that I had zero idea of this deep resentment the left has had all this time being forced to reveal their gender by going into a public bathroom. Lol.
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As far as i'm concerned, the way things have always been is perfectly fine. It's not something i ever cared or thought about until north carolina began this witch hunt of lgbt. But now that they have done so, sitting back and doing nothing is for sure not the answer

I'm aware there will be some backlash to the backlash, but those people who scream for birth certificates already hated or at least put the transgender as 2nd class, and they're inevitably going to lose, so whatever. Let them reveal themselves now in their dying "cause." Let pat mcrory be remembered as another george wallace and lose to the federal courts (again) and DoJ within a few months, all good to me. Let them realize their worst nightmares of mixed gender restrooms, or lose billions in funding. They're the ones who can end this at any time and just go back to the way things were
 
roguenuke said:
It's about privacy in public. And stores are free to limit restroom access to store employees and emergencies.

If they open restrooms to the public though, they have no right to invade the privacy of their customers or harass them based on their looks.
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The store is free to have any policy it pleases, unless the government interferes, as it did in Charlotte. Don't like it? Shop somewhere else or do your "business" at home.
 
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