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Are hardcore Trump supporters much different than hardcore Obama supporters?

Are hardcore Trump supporters much different than hardcore Obama supporters?

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ThePlayDrive said:
Both groups of supporters have a strong vision for the country. Hardcore Trump supporters are backing someone who will not live up to his rhetoric if elected and hardcore Obama supporters backed someone who did not live up to his record. Hardcore Trump supporters dismiss Trump's faults just as hardcore Obama supporters did when he was elected in 2008. Over the last two terms of Obama's presidency, however, many of those hardcore supporters have become more aware of (and willing to acknowledge) Obama's faults. If Trump is elected, then I expect the same thing to happen with his hardcore supporters.

Long story short, I do think that hardcore Obama supporters and hardcore Trump supporters are similar, not in terms of politics, of course, but in terms of their blind belief in and commitment to their politician of choice. I can't say I blame either group though. I think a lot of Americans have been having a hard time getting by in the last decade or so. Many Americans are dealing with financial issues, discrimination issues and other problems so when someone comes a long who gives them hope in an otherwise bleak reality, I understand why they would "cling" to the person who promises a better future.

Still, even though I understand hardcore supporters of any candidate, it's scary to see people blindly follow anyone. That's a very dangerous road.
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Well said. And I think blind followers are always the most dangerous people inside and outside of politics.
 
Nilly said:
All hardcore supporters of any candidate are the same, that's why they're hardcore. Kinda in the definition.

Anything said in here about 'hardcore' OBama/Trump fans could be said about hardcore anyone fans. It is true that Obama/Trump have more hardcore fans than most other politicians, and that's down to charisma.
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I used "supporters" not "fans" and I disagree. There are Hillary supporters here that could be considered "hardcore" but I don't see the same type of following. Bernie supporters however...

Truthfully I don't see much "charisma" in either. I know I'm in the minority on this but I have never viewed Obama as this great speaker. I hear a lot of stumbling, half formed thoughts and I just cringe when he tries to be funny (I don't it's just partisan bias on my part - Bill Clinton could be pretty funny). Trump's also not someone I'm just enthralled with listening to. I hear a lot of bumper sticker type slogans and not even very good ones at that but obviously lots of folks really like him or are interested in him - enough to base a TV show on him.
 
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X Factor said:
Specifying "hardcore" for a reason, but you all decide for yourselves what that means (sure as ****, someone's going to criticize me for not defining "hardcore"). I was listening to the radio about that guy admitting (bragging?) that some significant liberties in selling the U.S. and Iran deal and my thought was that it won't make a bit of difference to die hard Obama supporters. The last time I thought that was regarding Trump supporters and I started wondering if hardcore Obama supporters are really the same types of people as hardcore Trump supporters just with different politics. I think a case could be made.

Incidently, I see a total difference with Hillary supporters. They generally seem to be more willing to acknowledge faults/mistakes.

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From what I recall, Obama supporters were more like stoned robots, glibly echoing his memes. Trump's people are just as arrogant, but more hostile, thin skinned and mean. There is though, the same "we're gonna get even.." mentality that Obamabots had.
 
Lovebug said:
But the Obama campaign ran on hope and change, Trump runs on change for being an "outsider". I call BS on both. Agenda driven, power hungry drivel hovers over both candidates and their backers.
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Obama did. Absolutely. And people fell for it. He might have even believed it himself, which I think is likely, and which is part of my knock on his lack of experience.

Hard to say what Trump would really do. What he says is unreliable.
 
X Factor said:
There are Hillary supporters here that could be considered "hardcore" but I don't see the same type of following.
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you could say the same thing about ted cruz, how many people have hillary clinton as their avatar or "vote for cruz" in their signature, now compare that too trump and bernie
 
dimensionallava said:
you could say the same thing about ted cruz, how many people have hillary clinton as their avatar or "vote for cruz" in their signature, now compare that too trump and bernie
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I saw very few, if any, Cruz avatars or sigs (and it would make no sense now). I don't see it for Hillary. I do see Bernie and Trump though.
 
Ntharotep said:
Well said. And I think blind followers are always the most dangerous people inside and outside of politics.
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I agree. It's one thing to have hope and faith in a candidate; it's another to put that hope and faith above truth.
 
X Factor said:
I used "supporters" not "fans" and I disagree. There are Hillary supporters here that could be considered "hardcore" but I don't see the same type of following. Bernie supporters however...

Truthfully I don't see much "charisma" in either. I know I'm in the minority on this but I have never viewed Obama as this great speaker. I hear a lot of stumbling, half formed thoughts and I just cringe when he tries to be funny (I don't it's just partisan bias on my part - Clinton could be pretty funny). Trump's also not someone I'm just enthralled with listening to. I hear a lot of bumper sticker type slogans and not even very good ones at that but obviously lots of folks really like him or are interested in him - enough to base a TV show on him.
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What do you mean by you don't see the same type of following? You do see Hillary fans who think she's going to be an amazing president, who think she's done nothing wrong and all the black marks against her are down to decades of republican slander. They're lesser in number than Trump/Obama/Bernie 'hardcore' fans, sure, but they exist and have the same qualities.

As for charisma, I guess agree to disagree. I can see Trump's charisma (although I despise him), it's evident by the crowds he draws, and personally I think Obama's charismatic as hell. Thought his correspondent dinner speech was great.
 
X Factor said:
I used "supporters" not "fans" and I disagree. There are Hillary supporters here that could be considered "hardcore" but I don't see the same type of following. Bernie supporters however...
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Have you been on Twitter? Hardcore Hillary supporters on Twitter are just as nuts, blind and vicious as hardcore Bernie and Trump supporters. This election has brought out the absolute worst in people, LOL. People have truly lost it.
 
Nilly said:
What do you mean by you don't see the same type of following? You do see Hillary fans who think she's going to be an amazing president, who think she's done nothing wrong and all the black marks against her are down to decades of republican slander. They're lesser in number than Trump/Obama/Bernie 'hardcore' fans, sure, but they exist and have the same qualities.

As for charisma, I guess agree to disagree. I can see Trump's charisma (although I despise him), it's evident by the crowds he draws, and personally I think Obama's charismatic as hell. Thought his correspondent dinner speech was great.
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Hm...I think Hillary will be a good president, and I do admire her...but I don't see in her the innate leadership and the seed of greatness that Obama had and has. In 2008 I supported Hillary over Obama because I thought that it would be better if she took on the Republicans and got the economy back on track, and that she would set Obama up for true greatness...but in hindsight, maybe I was wrong, because Obama's been IMO the fourth-best president in our nation's history, after Lincoln, Washington, and FDR.

But in any case, she's light-years better than anybody the Right was trying to push...and Trump? Really?
 
X Factor said:
I saw very few, if any, Cruz avatars or sigs (and it would make no sense now). I don't see it for Hillary. I do see Bernie and Trump though.
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thats because trump represent the far right while bernie represents the far left (atleast in America) some of their supporters have even more radical demands, so it has little to do with the candidates themselves
 
Opposite political spectrum populism. Many of the same dynamics in play. DC establishment has tried a lot harder to hang onto all the levers of powers this go around. Obama's support was pretty strong inside his party.

Some similarities in supporters, some differences, same as just about anything else.
 
X Factor said:
Specifying "hardcore" for a reason, but you all decide for yourselves what that means (sure as ****, someone's going to criticize me for not defining "hardcore"). I was listening to the radio about that guy admitting (bragging?) that some significant liberties in selling the U.S. and Iran deal and my thought was that it won't make a bit of difference to die hard Obama supporters. The last time I thought that was regarding Trump supporters and I started wondering if hardcore Obama supporters are really the same types of people as hardcore Trump supporters just with different politics. I think a case could be made.

Incidently, I see a total difference with Hillary supporters. They generally seem to be more willing to acknowledge faults/mistakes.

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Your question is inexact, to me. I would say that the difference in Obama's and Trump's supporters is that while both had their "hardcore" elements, Trump only has hardcore supporters. While Obama will always have his "he's gonna pay my rent!" faction, I have yet to come across a Trump supporter that didn't talk like an outright cultist.
 
X Factor said:
Specifying "hardcore" for a reason, but you all decide for yourselves what that means (sure as ****, someone's going to criticize me for not defining "hardcore"). I was listening to the radio about that guy admitting (bragging?) that some significant liberties in selling the U.S. and Iran deal and my thought was that it won't make a bit of difference to die hard Obama supporters. The last time I thought that was regarding Trump supporters and I started wondering if hardcore Obama supporters are really the same types of people as hardcore Trump supporters just with different politics. I think a case could be made.

Incidently, I see a total difference with Hillary supporters. They generally seem to be more willing to acknowledge faults/mistakes.

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It is a credit to Hillary's supporters that they honestly recognize what a train wreck Hillary is. But then how could they ignore Hillary's faults/mistakes? Seriously.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Have you been on Twitter? Hardcore Hillary supporters on Twitter are just as nuts, blind and vicious as hardcore Bernie and Trump supporters. This election has brought out the absolute worst in people, LOL. People have truly lost it.
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I would change that to: This election has brought out the absolute worst people.

Americans not too long ago were generally more tolerant and more well mannered. When exactly it all changed I don't know, but it damn changed. People are just plain feckin rude and intolerant. We all encounter it daily to the point that when someone is tolerant and well mannered we find it remarkable.

A quick trip outside the US Americans would find a friendlier, more tolerant and less paranoid world. - NOTE to rabid, mouth foaming nutters. Don't bother posting examples of places outside the US that are not friendly, not tolerant and very paranoid. Yes, I know some of those places exist, but generally the world beyond the US is more friendly, more tolerant and less paranoid than Fortress America. It's palpable.


I do believe that friendly and tolerant Americans exist. It is simply that they are more difficult to identify these days with all the nastiness and noise from rude, mouthy people.
 
Risky Thicket said:
I would change that to: This election has brought out the absolute worst people.

Americans not too long ago were generally more tolerant and more well mannered. When exactly it all changed I don't know, but it damn changed. People are just plain feckin rude and intolerant. We all encounter it daily to the point that when someone is tolerant and well mannered we find it remarkable.

A quick trip outside the US Americans would find a friendlier, more tolerant and less paranoid world. - NOTE to rabid, mouth foaming nutters. Don't bother posting examples of places outside the US that are not friendly, not tolerant and very paranoid. Yes, I know some of those places exist, but generally the world beyond the US is more friendly, more tolerant and less paranoid than Fortress America. It's palpable.


I do believe that friendly and tolerant Americans exist. It is simply that they are more difficult to identify these days with all the nastiness and noise from rude, mouthy people.
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You do realize we've had a president who has spent the last 7 1/2 yrs pitting one group of Americans against another?? So yeah, over time this "conquer and divide " strategy really does work.
 
Nilly said:
What do you mean by you don't see the same type of following? You do see Hillary fans who think she's going to be an amazing president, who think she's done nothing wrong and all the black marks against her are down to decades of republican slander. They're lesser in number than Trump/Obama/Bernie 'hardcore' fans, sure, but they exist and have the same qualities.

As for charisma, I guess agree to disagree. I can see Trump's charisma (although I despise him), it's evident by the crowds he draws, and personally I think Obama's charismatic as hell. Thought his correspondent dinner speech was great.
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ThePlayDrive said:
Have you been on Twitter? Hardcore Hillary supporters on Twitter are just as nuts, blind and vicious as hardcore Bernie and Trump supporters. This election has brought out the absolute worst in people, LOL. People have truly lost it.
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What? Politics exist outside this forum?
 
The Trumpers are no different then the Obamabots, it's all "cult of personality"... And the sane people are left standing there thinking WTF???
 
radcen said:
Hard to say what Trump would really do. What he says is unreliable.
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Exactly. Even he says something you might like, how do you know he won't change it completely next week?
 
Gringo allstar said:
The Trumpers are no different then the Obamabots, it's all "cult of personality"... And the sane people are left standing there thinking WTF???
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One thing I can say for both, though, is at least they're enthusiastic about their candidate. Maybe I'm jealous of that a little. Hard to be excited about McCain (though I actually do like him) and Romney (who I like less and less). Say what you want about his supporters, Trump has incited involvement.
 
No different than hardcore Sanders supporters, no different than hardcore Hillary supporters, no different than hardcore Bush supporters, or hardcore Ron Paul supporters or hardcore ______ supporters. They are all sheep.
 
Yeah...they are dumber, generally, IMO. Much dumber generally, IMO.


I am neither dem nor rep, btw.
 
X Factor said:
Specifying "hardcore" for a reason, but you all decide for yourselves what that means (sure as ****, someone's going to criticize me for not defining "hardcore"). I was listening to the radio about that guy admitting (bragging?) that some significant liberties in selling the U.S. and Iran deal and my thought was that it won't make a bit of difference to die hard Obama supporters. The last time I thought that was regarding Trump supporters and I started wondering if hardcore Obama supporters are really the same types of people as hardcore Trump supporters just with different politics. I think a case could be made.

Incidently, I see a total difference with Hillary supporters. They generally seem to be more willing to acknowledge faults/mistakes.

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The sociological attributes are probably quite different, but Obama, Trump and BS all three seem to be a result of the same set of problems.
 
DA60 said:
Yeah...they are dumber, generally, IMO. Much dumber generally, IMO.
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Not a surprising analysis from you at all. I imagine you believe that to be the case for anyone you disagree with, IMO.

I am neither dem nor rep, btw.
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That's why you're so one sided in your comments all the time. :lol:
 
X Factor said:
Not a surprising analysis from you at all. I imagine you believe that to be the case for anyone you disagree with, IMO.
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Oooo..struck a nerve there...must be a Trump supporter.

Trump supports xenophobic, misogynistic, hate-filled policies. Obama does not. You honestly are not sure which group of supporters is generally dumber?

Okaaaaay.


That's why you're so one sided in your comments all the time. :lol:
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Are you saying that I am either Dem or Rep but not neither?

(Let's see if you can post a direct answer for once).


And btw, I KNOW most people are dumber then me. I have a high IQ and skipped both Grades 1 and 6.
I am no genius and many are way smarter then I am...but most are not.
Am not bragging, it's just true.
And that does not make me better, btw as no one is better then anyone else.
 
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