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thats a rather simplistic and erroneous claim.
Well, it IS simplistic anyway.
the biggest impediment to a libertarian government is the amount of Americans that have become addicted to government handouts and are terrified of that public teat drying up
Thank you for making my point for me.
They're like living caricatures.
Except... libertarianism has never appealed to the masses, as evidenced by it never being voted in as a system (via enough candidates to make it "the system"). And this evidence goes back to long before the "public teat" as we know it today.Yup, this is exactly why the LP cant gain any traction. Their message of financial independence doesnt resonate with several generations of people that are used to handouts and the nanny state. I pretty much believe the only way most people will ever take libertarianism seriously is when there is a massive economic and social upheaval.
Pt 2 (just thought of this)...Yup, this is exactly why the LP cant gain any traction. Their message of financial independence doesnt resonate with several generations of people that are used to handouts and the nanny state. I pretty much believe the only way most people will ever take libertarianism seriously is when there is a massive economic and social upheaval.
"No fair oversimplifying our overly simplistic philosophy!"
Except... libertarianism has never appealed to the masses, as evidenced by it never being voted in as a system (via enough candidates to make it "the system"). And this evidence goes back to long before the "public teat" as we know it today.
Just as people say they hate Congress... , and then go out and re-elect them in overwhelming numbers... said same people say they want the government to leave them alone (ala libertarianism) yet they only want to be left alone in the narrowly specific areas that they already want to do things for themselves. Don't confuse what people say want with what people actually think and want as evidenced by their actions.
Except... libertarianism has never appealed to the masses, as evidenced by it never being voted in as a system (via enough candidates to make it "the system"). And this evidence goes back to long before the "public teat" as we know it today.
Just as people say they hate Congress... , and then go out and re-elect them in overwhelming numbers... said same people say they want the government to leave them alone (ala libertarianism) yet they only want to be left alone in the narrowly specific areas that they already want to do things for themselves. Don't confuse what people say want with what people actually think and want as evidenced by their actions.
Massive economic and social upheaval will only increase the clamor for increased government intervention... for government to "fix it". The Great Depression is a great example of this.
If we consider that libertarianism, at least in it's current political capacity, seems to be verging toward anarchy. Is this a reasonable way of looking at the world? Government in it's purist form is designed to make an entire group of people more powerful. Government gives us the ability to pool resources, create protections, foster growth, etc.
By this logic, the larger government is, the better. The only caveat being that corruption in government would be the issue. But theoretically, big government with little corruption would ultimately be the most advantageous to a society.
the biggest impediment to a libertarian government is the amount of Americans that have become addicted to government handouts and are terrified of that public teat drying up
Yup, this is exactly why the LP cant gain any traction. Their message of financial independence doesnt resonate with several generations of people that are used to handouts and the nanny state. I pretty much believe the only way most people will ever take libertarianism seriously is when there is a massive economic and social upheaval.
OK and so what about all those people that don't take handouts and use the nanny state and also think libertarianism is unrealistic?????
We do exist you know. :2wave:
the left is made up of those who want to live as children and have the government take care of them and those "elites" who want to be the parents of all of them. That latter group tends to damn libertarian values
Lol.
You're a smart guy turtle, and I can understand you defending and espousing the philosophy that you yourself to believe in, but when you claim to know the intentions of the other side then you really just come across as laughable. You just called someone out for oversimplifying your position then you reduce 'the left' down to that.