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Are we unfair to our politicians?

Are we unfair to our politicians?


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No, we're not unfair. If we were, would they go through the terrible personal attacks and constant asking of favors to become one? Most of them look healthy, happy, rich, and stress free. A real politician, or rather statesman, who deserves the utmost respect is Abe Lincolln. Look at the before and after pics of him, just before he became president and in 1965. That's a man who served his country. Most of these politicians nowadays are simply ambitious opportunists.
I saw just a few days ago where Hillary Clinton has a net worth of something like $45 mil... after a life of relatively low-paid "public service". Your's is a fair point.
 
This is a good example actually, some one blaming politicians for things which are their own fault. Politicians do not divide us, we do. Politicians do not limit our choices, we do. And so on. But it is so much easier to blame others for our own failings.

That's a gross oversimplification of things.
They take advantage of human psychology and biases to help create these divisions.

It's not like they're innocent.
 
Yes, we are very unfair to them. We elect them to do a lot of things they should not be doing at all, and then blame them for a lot of other things they have no control over.
 
No, we're not unfair. If we were, would they go through the terrible personal attacks and constant asking of favors to become one? Most of them look healthy, happy, rich, and stress free. A real politician, or rather statesman, who deserves the utmost respect is Abe Lincolln. Look at the before and after pics of him, just before he became president and in 1965. That's a man who served his country. Most of these politicians nowadays are simply ambitious opportunists.

Greetings, JC. :2wave:

This good man was assassinated on Good Friday, April 14, 1865, the first President to be assassinated, so we'll never know what his future might have been! R.I.P. President Lincoln. We haven't forgotten, and we honor you.
 
Are we unfair to our politicians?

Time for a gut-check. Seems like pretty much everyone is unhappy with, and distrustful of, our collective leadership. We don't seem to like anybody anymore, and to be honest I'm right there, too. In the interest of full honesty, if someone were to ask me, "Well, radcen, who DO you like?", I'm not sure I could answer that.

Are we expecting too much? Are we expecting some sort of super-human capability that even we could never attain?

I'm not suggesting there aren't legitimate gripes, there most certainly are. But are we going too far?

I think, clearly, the American media is a large part of the problem, but the answer to your poll question is unquestionably yes. I simply look at the treatment of Jeb Bush this past cycle - in my view, the most qualified and best choice for President this round - and I have to wonder if the majority of people wouldn't rather have him as one of the choices now that you're stuck with Trump/Cruz vs Clinton/Sanders. The dismissal of Bush primarily because of his family name is by definition unfair.
 
Greetings, JC. :2wave:

This good man was assassinated on Good Friday, April 14, 1865, the first President to be assassinated, so we'll never know what his future might have been! R.I.P. President Lincoln. We haven't forgotten, and we honor you.

Yeah, Abe's death really hurt the South since he was planning to work on the peace but his more reactionary vice president took over and set that part of the country back decades.
 
We rig the game, as much as it is rigged. Do you know why people do not vote for, say, libertarians? Because they prefer some one else. Stop blaming others. We pick our politicians.

More than ever, today the majority of the electorate vote out of personal self interest. Is it any wonder that politicians, out of their own self interest, pander to those personal interests of the electorate? You're absolutely right - we, as voters, create who runs for office and who is elected.
 
Greetings, JC. :2wave:

This good man was assassinated on Good Friday, April 14, 1865, the first President to be assassinated, so we'll never know what his future might have been! R.I.P. President Lincoln. We haven't forgotten, and we honor you.

Well said Pg! :thumbs:
 
Well said Pg! :thumbs:

Greetings, JC. :2wave:

He is always in people's top three choices of all Presidents, and I wanted him to be remembered. I wonder what he would think if he came back to check up on us...

Off topic, but I spent hours today carefully removing beautiful ceramic tiles from the wall behind the sink in the kitchen at my daughter's new house. She's getting new granite counter-tops and new back-splashes installed, and I couldn't bear to see them destroyed. Used in a series, they make different colored tulips at spaced intervals, and they are stunning! I wish she would have kept them, but she wants to go more modern. They will be given to Habitat for Humanity and some lucky person will be able to use them. I didn't break a single one, JC, and I'm so glad cause there are boxes of them, but my hands are sure sore this evening! Ouch!

And...I hope my son gets the yard mowed tomorrow - it's getting scruffy looking! :mrgreen:
 
Greetings, JC. :2wave:

He is always in people's top three choices of all Presidents, and I wanted him to be remembered. I wonder what he would think if he came back to check up on us...

Off topic, but I spent hours today carefully removing beautiful ceramic tiles from the wall behind the sink in the kitchen at my daughter's new house. She's getting new granite counter-tops and new back-splashes installed, and I couldn't bear to see them destroyed. Used in a series, they make different colored tulips at spaced intervals, and they are stunning! I wish she would have kept them, but she wants to go more modern. They will be given to Habitat for Humanity and some lucky person will be able to use them. I didn't break a single one, JC, and I'm so glad cause there are boxes of them, but my hands are sure sore this evening! Ouch!

And...I hope my son gets the yard mowed tomorrow - it's getting scruffy looking! :mrgreen:

Yeah, Lincoln's my fave. And that's so thoughtful of you to save those tiles, someone will love them!

Sending great weather your way! :bright: :mrgreen:
 
Yeah, Abe's death really hurt the South since he was planning to work on the peace but his more reactionary vice president took over and set that part of the country back decades.

Greetings, PoS. :2wave:

If Lincoln came back today, and heard different States talking about seceding, I wonder if he would think "Really? You want to go through that again? Really?" *then walks away shaking his head*
 
Are we unfair to our politicians?

Time for a gut-check. Seems like pretty much everyone is unhappy with, and distrustful of, our collective leadership. We don't seem to like anybody anymore, and to be honest I'm right there, too. In the interest of full honesty, if someone were to ask me, "Well, radcen, who DO you like?", I'm not sure I could answer that.

Are we expecting too much? Are we expecting some sort of super-human capability that even we could never attain?

I'm not suggesting there aren't legitimate gripes, there most certainly are. But are we going too far?

Not far enough in my book. Our elected representatives should reflect the best in our society and it's HARD to find one that even reflects the norm... We need to raise the standards for our politicians, not accept the low standards that have become the norm.
 
Yeah, Lincoln's my fave. And that's so thoughtful of you to save those tiles, someone will love them!

Sending great weather your way! :bright: :mrgreen:

Looking forward to it! :thanks: :thumbs:
 
i don't deny that the electorate shares the blame for accepting the rigged game and for letting our innate tribalism get the better of us. we made ourselves vulnerable to those with the means to manipulate, and manipulate, they certainly have.

They aren't really political parties per ce, but machines designed for no other purpose than to raise money. I recall in one of Bush's elections in the end the two platforms were less than 4% different, in Obama's last they were within 5%.

I have no idea how it happened, but the American electorate stopped caring somewhere along the line and figured second, no third best was just OK, "now gimme the ****ing tax cut". I believe the turning point came somewhere between "read my lips, no new taxes" and "I did not have sex with that woman".

You are correct, the electorate is guilty of being manipulated, look at how arguments in here NEVER end, whether it's Bush's record or Clinton, the memes continue in a never-ending cyclone of disagreement cum resentment cum hate. "Divide and conquer" has worked and Pogo was right "we have met the enemy and he is us!"

As earlier pointed out, they don't seem to suffer much, well paid, amazing perks, free lunches with lobbyists, who can blame them for exploiting a broken system to feather their own nest, while kicking all the cans down the road, generation after generation. I've never heard of a politician lose his job over illegals, nor over failing to bring in election reform legislation. Never since the Reagan and post-Watergate era, has the quality of government been an issue, seldom is the elected rock star held to account.

The sitting president was elected on "hope and change", remember that? There can't have been any change if this so called election is any indication.
 
They aren't really political parties per ce, but machines designed for no other purpose than to raise money. I recall in one of Bush's elections in the end the two platforms were less than 4% different, in Obama's last they were within 5%.

I have no idea how it happened, but the American electorate stopped caring somewhere along the line and figured second, no third best was just OK, "now gimme the ****ing tax cut". I believe the turning point came somewhere between "read my lips, no new taxes" and "I did not have sex with that woman".

You are correct, the electorate is guilty of being manipulated, look at how arguments in here NEVER end, whether it's Bush's record or Clinton, the memes continue in a never-ending cyclone of disagreement cum resentment cum hate. "Divide and conquer" has worked and Pogo was right "we have met the enemy and he is us!"

As earlier pointed out, they don't seem to suffer much, well paid, amazing perks, free lunches with lobbyists, who can blame them for exploiting a broken system to feather their own nest, while kicking all the cans down the road, generation after generation. I've never heard of a politician lose his job over illegals, nor over failing to bring in election reform legislation. Never since the Reagan and post-Watergate era, has the quality of government been an issue, seldom is the elected rock star held to account.

The sitting president was elected on "hope and change", remember that? There can't have been any change if this so called election is any indication.

it's going to take humans a long time to get past tribalism. it's innate; we need a "them" to justify our "us." and yeah, though some are less guilty of it, most of us are to some extent. i'm a part of that "us," though i'm trying to find a way out, or at least a way to look at it differently.
 
Not far enough in my book. Our elected representatives should reflect the best in our society and it's HARD to find one that even reflects the norm... We need to raise the standards for our politicians, not accept the low standards that have become the norm.

And how do "we" do that?

What, pray tell, "reflects the best in our society?"
 
More than ever, today the majority of the electorate vote out of personal self interest. Is it any wonder that politicians, out of their own self interest, pander to those personal interests of the electorate? You're absolutely right - we, as voters, create who runs for office and who is elected.

Most people vote for their back pocket, and if you mix them in with the idealists .....pure chaos!
 
Wrong question...the question should be are politicians fair to we the people?
 
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I don't think 'unfair' is the word I would use.
 
And how do "we" do that?

What, pray tell, "reflects the best in our society?"

"We" do that by voting.

"the best" means that we start by not voting anyone who has violated our laws or our individual moral principals. It means that we set HIGH standards for the people we vote for and not just accepting the ones who tickle our fancy.

It wouldn't be a fast change, but it would be a good one. It would require the near dissolution of the political parties and even a possible amendment to the Constitution stating that no one who has been convicted of a felony can be elected to public office.
 
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from a pool of two choices. i'd agree with you if it was more about the politician's platform and less about the party. candidates should have run on their platform, not on their tribe.

We choose those two people (with an unfortunate amount of influence by the Parties).
 
"We" do that by voting.

"the best" means that we start by not voting anyone who has violated our laws or our individual moral principals. It means that we set HIGH standards for the people we vote for and not just accepting the ones who tickle our fancy.

It wouldn't be a fast change, but it would be a good one. It would require the near dissolution of the political parties and even a possible amendment to the Constitution stating that no one who has been convicted of a felony can be elected to public office.

Oh...you mean by hoping for change.

Okay, I get it.
 
Yeah, Lincoln's my fave. And that's so thoughtful of you to save those tiles, someone will love them!

Sending great weather your way! :bright: :mrgreen:

Follow up on the weather you sent my way last evening. . . it's 71 degrees right now, heading to 75 degrees, which the NWS says "will feel like 77 degrees!" JC, you can send temps like that anytime you feel like it! :kissy: I just brought the little dogs indoors, and maybe it's wishful thinking, but I swear I'm starting to get a tan - in mid-April in NE Ohio? Unheard of..... :mrgreen: ... :happy:
 
Follow up on the weather you sent my way last evening. . . it's 71 degrees right now, heading to 75 degrees, which the NWS says "will feel like 77 degrees!" JC, you can send temps like that anytime you feel like it! :kissy: I just brought the little dogs indoors, and maybe it's wishful thinking, but I swear I'm starting to get a tan - in mid-April in NE Ohio? Unheard of..... :mrgreen: ... :happy:

More coming tomorrow! :mrgreen: :sun It's 71 and sunny here today. And I'm definitely getting a tan, so you may be too.

Btw, I found these baby rabbits today on my job:

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And this hawk in our parking garage the other day, stuck temporarily in the stairwell:

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More than ever, today the majority of the electorate vote out of personal self interest. Is it any wonder that politicians, out of their own self interest, pander to those personal interests of the electorate? You're absolutely right - we, as voters, create who runs for office and who is elected.

Interesting. I saw a poll recently, although it was an old poll, but 60+ % admitted that looks were an "important" factor in their decision.
 
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