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Should the "no recess" policy be banned?

Should the "no recess" policy be banned?


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Not necessarily. I got a huge number of pink slips in first grade literally for sitting, actually. In a way they didn't want me to (leg under me). Yes, I kept doing it. I didn't respond real kindly to unreasonable strong-arming. Still don't.

The things you can get punished for in school are numerous, and highly subject to the teacher. I had an absolute lunatic of a math teacher who used to meter out harsh punishments for answering a question wrong.

When I feel my kids have been punished (especially if it seems routine) by a teacher for some minor nothing - I address the teacher and that punishment itself. Or, if my child is doing the same thing continuously, their stubborn refusal to quit doing that same thing. I don't look at the 'missing recess' as being what's wrong in all of that.
 
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When I feel my kids have been punished (especially if it seems routine) by a teacher for some minor nothing - I address the teacher and that punishment itself. Or, if my child is doing the same thing continuously, their stubborn refusal to quit doing that same thing. I don't look at the 'missing recess' as being what's wrong in all of that.
Well, as far as the recess thing, see my prior post.

Although personally, I don't see stubborn refusal as inherently bad when the thing being forced is just a meaningless exercise in power grabbing by a teacher who clearly has a touchy ego. I am thankful to have had a parent who backed me up on that. I credit that fact for the kind of adult I am, with my free thought and my curiosity still almost completely intact. Not a common trait, by my age.
 
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Well, as far as the recess thing, see my prior post.

Although personally, I don't see stubborn refusal as inherently bad when the thing being forced is just a meaningless exercise in power grabbing by a teacher who clearly has a touchy ego. I am thankful to have had a parent who backed me up on that. I credit that fact for the kind of adult I am, with my free thought and my curiosity still almost completely intact. Not a common trait, by my age.
On the flip side, I've observed parents who believed everything precious little Johnny/Suzie told them and were constantly down at the school railing against the teacher... and the teacher was not the one in the wrong.
 
Shortened your quotes in order to meet character limit.

Uh... okay...

Think the point went over your head or you're deliberately ignoring it. :shrug:

On the contrary, cancer is incredibly complex and variable.

Knew you were going to say this. Yes, I know, lots of different types of cancer out there and yes, its going to affect everyone differently. But the treatments are basically the same for all. Surgery if possible, chemo and/or radiation and in some cases drugs. Kids on the other hand...there is no set way to deal with them. They're far more widely varied than cancer.

But, that's not really the point. The issue is that you are making a naïve argument against expertise in child development and psychology.

1st: Sugar is a high energy product. It's two components are glucose and sucrose both of which is easily absorbed by the body and converted into energy. So yes, too much sugar can lead to an hyperactive child. But its like everything else in this world...moderation is needed. Simply giving your child a candy bar is not going to make them hyperactive. Giving them 5-10 candy bars very well may do so.

Second: My parents spanked me and yet I'm certainly not resentful of them and I'm about as aggressive as an opossum playing dead to escape a predator. The key is in how the spanking is delivered and in talking and when to apply a spanking. Simply spanking out of anger may very well cause what you said there to be. Which is why you should never spank a child when angry. My rule is to never spank a butt more than 3 times (except on birthdays of course! :mrgreen: ). As for talking, always, ALWAYS explain why the spanking is going to or has happened. Even if the child is resentful at first they will come to realize the validity in time.... if done properly. That is what I did when my kids were younger. I haven't had to spank them in a LONG time because of it. Been about 3 years for my eldest and about 2 for my youngest. Which leads to my last point, you only spank a child in absolutely needed. You don't use it for every little offense. You only use it as a last resort.

Third: Regarding your "sample sizes" comment. That right there is exactly the problem with "experts". They group kids into one homogenous group and act as if they are all the same. They are not. Children are always different from one child to the next. What will work on one child, doesn't mean that it will work on the next child or it might partially work on another child.

And of course parents don't know the best way to discipline a child. No child comes with a manual. How to discipline each child is different and they have to learn that through time. Not even an expert can tell you how to discipline a child without first interacting with the child over a period of time.

As for who to believe...both. There is no one "best way" to discipline a child. There is one way though on how to discipline a child that should be universal. But it has nothing to do with the child and has everything to do with the parent. That one way is to NOT get angry. You punish a child when angry and you're going to end up screwing up every time. But that is on the parent, not the child.
 
PE classes are greatly diminished in terms of the actual level of exercise students have to perform. Make kids run, make them lift weights, make them play intensive sports.....and the parents flip out.

I'd have to agree here. IMO our schools are trying to raise our kids into a bunch of pansies. Too much Dr. Phil mentality now a days. He's prolly the worst "doctor" out there of all time and has done the most harm to our society in our day.
 
The problem is that all the research done on the subject points to the fact that kids, especially little boys, also NEED time to move and play throughout the day in order to be able to pay attention in class and learn effectively. So taking recess away from kids because they're misbehaving in class is just going to lead to them misbehaving more in class because they didn't get the opportunity to burn off their energy.

When they're at that age in school kids do not simply "sit around" even in class. My 11 year old son has 3 different teachers and they all have activities in their classrooms that require movement. Granted, some schools may differ. In which case those should be the ones to be changing. Such activities actually get the child more involved and they learn much better. Any teacher that doesn't have activities planned for their class shouldn't be a teacher imo.
 
Damn :shock:

If my parents had ever tried that I'd be heading for the highway within an hour.

As for no recess......bad idea. All it does it piss kids off, make it less likely for them to listen to the teachers, and seeing as the "beat your kid within an inch of his life" ideal is no longer considered a valid parenting tactic......

But yeah. Calling the school to ask that kids have recess taken away lol. That's ****ed up.

When my child was going through his temper tantrum phase at around age 6 he threatened to up and leave. I held the door open for him. It was the middle of winter and he had nothing but regular clothes on. I told him to go ahead but he wasn't going to bring anything with him except the clothes he had on right then since I was the one that bought the clothes. He stepped out the door, I closed it. Inside of 2 minutes he asked if he could come back in. Reverse psychology works wonders at times. After he came back in we had a nice long talk about his behavior. He improved quite noticeably after that. Though there were still problems of course. But never close to the point where the threatened to up and leave again.
 
When my child was going through his temper tantrum phase at around age 6 he threatened to up and leave. I held the door open for him. It was the middle of winter and he had nothing but regular clothes on. I told him to go ahead but he wasn't going to bring anything with him except the clothes he had on right then since I was the one that bought the clothes. He stepped out the door, I closed it. Inside of 2 minutes he asked if he could come back in. Reverse psychology works wonders at times. After he came back in we had a nice long talk about his behavior. He improved quite noticeably after that. Though there were still problems of course. But never close to the point where the threatened to up and leave again.

Once again.....damn:shock:
 
I'd have to agree here. IMO our schools are trying to raise our kids into a bunch of pansies. Too much Dr. Phil mentality now a days. He's prolly the worst "doctor" out there of all time and has done the most harm to our society in our day.
I refer to him as Dr Phraud.
 
From my experience parents take it too far and do it too often and for too long. There are several consequences from this that I have seen. Increased hostility from the child, lost of interest, the child acting to undermine the punishment by showing little to no interests towards things in their life.

See, here I completely agree with you. A big problem with lengthy or constant consequences is that, after a while, the consequences become the norm and no longer have any impact. I've seen kids grounded for an entire summer who, by the end of the summer are either so hostile that their parents have less control, so depressed that they've lost interest in things, or just don't care... and further consequences wouldn't matter to them. The best parents are those who tend to hold off consequences for severe situations only, and who use rewards often to encourage the behaviors that they'd like to see.
 
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On the flip side, I've observed parents who believed everything precious little Johnny/Suzie told them and were constantly down at the school railing against the teacher... and the teacher was not the one in the wrong.

Facts. I see a lot of that happening today, actually, with kids who are wantonly destructive and cruel. It's pretty disheartening to see even teenagers who don't seem to have ever had even the most basic lessons in empathy or decent behavior.

The side my dad took depended on what I'd done (usually indicated on the slip, or if he called). He tended to believe what they said about as much as he believed me.

Sometimes I got punished for things that were just stupid (like the sitting thing). In those cases, he simply signed the form as required and ignored it. If I got a detention, he would only take me if it was convenient for him. I recall when I was in high school -- the only detention I got in my teens -- they wanted him to take me in at 7am on a Saturday. He called them and said no ****ing way. He wasn't getting up that early on his day off over an infraction that was totally ridiculous anyway. The way the admin sputtered was hilarious. :lol: He thought it was important I understand people will react to what I do, but also important that I understand sometimes their reactions are stupid, thus why he never punished me for things like that.

Sometimes, especially in high school, I got punished for doing something intentionally adversarial, but that I felt was correct, knowing I might be punished (many of my actions on the paper, a protest I helped organize, me calling out a teacher for lying in "abstinence only" sex ed, etc). What he did depended on how heavy the punishment was. If it was light, same as above -- just sign it and forget about it. If it was heavy, he went to bat for me. And actually, so did some of my teachers. He wasn't alone.

On rare occasion, I just did something stupid or mean -- this happened a couple times in elementary school, like it might with any young child, but generally this was a small minority of my infractions. And in those cases, I actually got punished pretty heavily. He didn't dick around when I did something actually bad. He let me have a lot of freedom, so he came down on me like a hammer when I violated one of the rules.

I consider myself extraordinarily lucky that I had both a parent and several teachers who defended me when I did things that were legitimate but "against the rules." My journalism advisor was probably in the principal's office twice a week defending me.

A lot of my teachers actually loved me. I wasn't a kid who did things that were cruel or wrong, really. I was, in some ways, a model student: into lots of extracurriculars, very participatory, etc. I just required a modicum of respect, for both myself and other students. And that is in short supply in many schools today. They're simply training you to act like a whipped puppy for your boss when you get into the job market. And the result of that is clear. It's incredible that so many employers get away with things like unpaid overtime, full-time unpaid interns, keeping a "temp" working for 5 years and never giving them medical or any paid time off... That is the result of the way kids are trained in schools.

No such luck with me.
 
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If you want to create more resentment, I guess benching what is probably a very (over) active kid is the way to go. Just a guess.
 
I'd have to agree here. IMO our schools are trying to raise our kids into a bunch of pansies. Too much Dr. Phil mentality now a days. He's prolly the worst "doctor" out there of all time and has done the most harm to our society in our day.

It's a shame.

I'm not all that old, I'm in my 30s, but even when I was in high school PE was already a joke. Can't make kids wrestle, can't make them play football, can't make them play soccer, etc. Most you got was dodgeball (which I approve of), volleyball, and one time, aerobics involving stepping on and off a 4 inch high plastic thing.

Laughable.
 
If they want to keep the kids active, hand them broom and tell them to get to work sweeping the cafeteria....

that was part of our school discipline regime when i was a kid.

if you screw up, you get detention... if you keep screwing up, you come in on Saturday and clean the campus.... if you screw up badly, the principal beats your ass with a cleverly named wooden paddle.

we wouldn't have recess taken away from us... but we'd be forced to sit on a bench and watch everyone else play... we still got our break, but it was torture watching everyone else have fun and play while we sat with a teacher.
 
It's a shame.

I'm not all that old, I'm in my 30s, but even when I was in high school PE was already a joke. Can't make kids wrestle, can't make them play football, can't make them play soccer, etc. Most you got was dodgeball (which I approve of), volleyball, and one time, aerobics involving stepping on and off a 4 inch high plastic thing.

Laughable.
The dodge ball we played in the mid-70s and the dodge ball my kids played in the late-90s weren't the same game. The 90s version was much more 'polite'. I hate to imagine how far it has softened since then.
 
The dodge ball we played in the mid-70s and the dodge ball my kids played in the late-90s weren't the same game. The 90s version was much more 'polite'. I hate to imagine how far it has softened since then.


True; but I still aimed at people's faces (or nads)
 
If you want to create more resentment, I guess benching what is probably a very (over) active kid is the way to go. Just a guess.

I always shake my head when someone talks about making the kid resent you as a parent. As a parent you're not there to make friends. You're there to teach a kid right from wrong and to make sure they're educated enough to survive life outside of school once they graduate and move out and make sure they're safe. That is your MAIN priority. I would rather my kids hate me than not be taught proper manners and how to survive life and not be safe. Being the kids friend is for the good times when the kid is behaving. Even then it takes a back seat to what I just said previously.
 
The dodge ball we played in the mid-70s and the dodge ball my kids played in the late-90s weren't the same game. The 90s version was much more 'polite'. I hate to imagine how far it has softened since then.

Lot's of schools have banned dodgeball. :(
 
The dodge ball we played in the mid-70s and the dodge ball my kids played in the late-90s weren't the same game. The 90s version was much more 'polite'. I hate to imagine how far it has softened since then.

We played dodgeball with basketballs. It was not a game for the meek.
 
I always shake my head when someone talks about making the kid resent you as a parent. As a parent you're not there to make friends. You're there to teach a kid right from wrong and to make sure they're educated enough to survive life outside of school once they graduate and move out and make sure they're safe. That is your MAIN priority. I would rather my kids hate me than not be taught proper manners and how to survive life and not be safe. Being the kids friend is for the good times when the kid is behaving. Even then it takes a back seat to what I just said previously.

You can reprimand an unruly kid appropriately, but I think that kids need to let our their excess energy. I am sure teachers and parents have more than one tool to get the job done.
 
Most elementary schools by law have PE classes daily. If so, nothing wrong with taking away recess. Recess should be a privilege. Many schools use recess as a time for absent students to make up missed school work anyway.
 
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