Is waterboarding torture? - Page 74

Bones · 02-11-08, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Hundereds of thousands?

Are you pointing out a spelling mistake?

How many Iraqis have been killed by American soldiers since the Iraq war began?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 02-11-08, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bones

Are you pointing out a spelling mistake?

How many Iraqis have been killed by American soldiers since the Iraq war began?

Nope its my bad spelling....

The right question is how many iraqis killed other iraqis since the war began?

but IBC has it at around 100k, mostly iraqi on iraqi though.

stevenb · 02-11-08, 02:14 PM

YouTube - The Siege: Denzel's Anti Torture speech (1998)

Pretty well sums it up.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 02-11-08, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenb

YouTube - The Siege: Denzel's Anti Torture speech (1998)

Pretty well sums it up.

We should always look to hollywood for guidance to moral behavior....

cherokee · 02-11-08, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

We should always look to hollywood for guidance to moral behavior....

Hey guys and gals hold on while I contact Jane Fonda, lets see what she thinks..........

dixon76710 · 02-11-08, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Millions? I think you need to learn to count.

btw who killed them us or other Iraqi Muslims?

Looking at the most recent Iraq Body count.
Incidents :: Iraq Body Count
Looks like about 150 dead on the first page of the Data base. Looks like about three of them were killed by Americans. A good portion of them are killed by foreign Muslims.

stevenb · 02-11-08, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

We should always look to hollywood for guidance to moral behavior....

The fact that you can't get a correlation doesn't really surprise me.

You are after all for treating "enemy combatants" against guidelines dictated by the geneva convention... Cause they're not POWs.. they're "enemy combatants" the rules don't apply to them.

Where does it stop?

How many must be waterboarded?

How will you defend the first American citizen who gets tortured for intelligence they can't give... cause they were wrongfully accused of supporting terrorism?

You're arguing a very slippery slope, one that's very low on moral values.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 02-11-08, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenb

The fact that you can't get a correlation doesn't really surprise me.

OOOOO BURN...........

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You are after all for treating "enemy combatants" against guidelines dictated by the geneva convention... Cause they're not POWs.. they're "enemy combatants" the rules don't apply to them.

The Geneva conventions are out dated.

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Where does it stop?

When the push for the caliphate is stopped.

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How many must be waterboarded?

A lot less than they kill, behead, real torture etc.

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How will you defend the first American citizen who gets tortured for intelligence they can't give... cause they were wrongfully accused of supporting terrorism?

American citizens are afforded protections of rights recognized by the constitution unless they commit an act of treason or other acts that renounce thier citizenship.

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You're arguing a very slippery slope, one that's very low on moral values.

Right. Again I will pose the question. Nuclear bomb in LA you have the haji who admitts to planting it, you have 48 hours according to your intelligence.

What do you do? Waterboard? Let millions die?

stevenb · 02-11-08, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

OOOOO BURN...........

*yawn*

The Geneva conventions are out dated.

When the push for the caliphate is stopped.

A lot less than they kill, behead, real torture etc.

Cause we're the moral compass in the world.. Anything we decide is morally right, is morally right... Correct?

American citizens are afforded protections of rights recognized by the constitution unless they commit an act of treason or other acts that renounce thier citizenship.

Not if they're pronounce an "Enemy Combatant". Maybe you should read up on that before you make generalized comments.

And last I checked President Bush can declare anyone an "Enemy Combatant" for any reason he really sees fit... and once that happens.. well you're screwed cause you are not afforded the legal protections that a citizen gets.

Right. Again I will pose the question. Nuclear bomb in LA you have the haji who admitts to planting it, you have 48 hours according to your intelligence.

What do you do? Waterboard? Let millions die?

And I'll pose a question to you... a surveillance pilot is shot down over Iran.

Iran intelligence officers waterboard and apply "advanced interrogation techniques" upon the pilot to determine what's going on and gather intelligence. Is this torture?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 02-11-08, 02:57 PM

you ignored my question:

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Right. Again I will pose the question. Nuclear bomb in LA you have the haji who admitts to planting it, you have 48 hours according to your intelligence.

What do you do? Waterboard? Let millions die?

Answer it then we can move on.

Edit to add:

You need to fix your quote of me to indicate what I actually said and have not said. Not doing so could be a "Slippery slope"