Bones

Those who believe waterboarding to not be torture are those who think it should be justified, depending on the nature of the crime, I guess.

IMO, it's torture, no matter what. I don't care if you have a suspected terrorist in custody, simulating drowning isn't going to make him talk. Also, 'suspected' terror suspect isn't good enough for me, actually, nor is 'proven' terrorist.
Waterboarding is eithor torture for everyone, or not torture at all.
Those who believe it to be justified would almost certainly change their minds if it were they who the recepients of a 'controlled' drowning.

buttonpsi

And yet we continue on page #73 : the question of "Is waterboadring torture?"

Answer, no is it not torture as long as they aren't Americans and don't have our civil rights. It is okay to imprison them without due process and rights to a fair trial too because they aren't americans with the great freedoms we have.

This is why we are in the middle east, to spread freedom and democracy.
But if they aren't from here then they don't have the rights we do as citizens here.

Why is it so hard to understand...it makes so much sense.

"Do as I say not as I do."

We show them that in America you have freedom and the right to a fair trial by not giving it to them. And here in America we show them we don't torture people unless they aren't American. Lead by example.

I really don't understand why they don't just let us set up our Democracy.

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buttonpsi

As a side note, how can people that say it is okay because they aren't American citizens ALSO say we are doing this to spread Democracy throughout the world?

Bones

If they don't have the same rights as you do, then it would be perfectly okay to kill them, as they are not protected under your law. Would that be okay? Would it be okay to pull someones fingernails out, just because they did not have citizenship in the US?
By your way of thinking, it would be acceptable to torture me, because I am not American and do not have the same rights as you do in your country.
And it would be okay to imprison me for as long as you please because I am not an American.
Nice person you are, and I think I detect a hint of racism.

dixon76710

Its a war. Killing the enemy is what you do in a war.

Bones

So the millions of Iraqis killed in Iraq were all guilty? Of what? Of being Muslim?
The majority of Iraqi's killed in Iraq since the war began were innocent.
We haven't killed many 'enemies'.

Reverend_Hellh0und

Millions? I think you need to learn to count.



btw who killed them us or other Iraqi Muslims?

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Lightdemon

It's strange watching this thread go on for months.

I remember when the poll was about 80 saying it was torture, and about 20-30 saying it wasn't. That was probably when the thread was under 10 pages, if I remember correctly.

It's funny that it's nearly tied now. What even funnier is that there are 200+ votes totaled. "Funny" as in peculiar. I can't imagine 200 people in DP. I mean I've only seen about 30 active posters, and a kajillion non-active members. But to see 200+ votes on a poll is kind of peculiar in DP, isn't it?

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Bones

Hundreds of thousands, then. Nice that you Americans feel you have the right to torture a Muslim but I sure as **** doubt you'd do it to another American.

Reverend_Hellh0und

Hundereds of thousands?