Panache

Altitude chambers are not a simulation of hypoxia. They induce actual hypoxia. Does that mean that they are torture?

My flight instructor tells me they are actually kinda fun.

independent_thinker2002

You just answered your question. Torture isn't fun.

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Panache

So you are saying that the fact that it actually induces hypoxia, rather than just simulating it is really just a red herring designed to distract from the real issue?

Interesting...

independent_thinker2002

Nice try, but no cigar. Your hypoxia example is the red herring. This is a waterboarding thread. What's next? Doctors inducing people into comas with drugs equating torture?

26 X World Champs

Don't you find it amazing that there are people in this Forum who are either pro-torture or too damn stupid to grasp what is torture? Either way we're dealing with people who have some serious issues that psychologically are beyond deficient and might even border on psychopathic.

1069

I can't believe it's come to this.
Just a few years ago, this entire discussion would've been largely inconceivable.

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independent_thinker2002

Yes, it is amazing.

26 X World Champs

It's the "spoils of war" created by Bush/Cheney. The NEOCON agenda feeds off of physical might and intimidation and to accomplish this by any means available so it is not surprising that there are social misfits within this Forum who have been brainwashed and duped into accepting torture as a reasonable alternative to get one's agenda accomplished no matter the morality behind it.

Let's face facts; Neocons are immoral bastards who will do whatever is necessary to advance their cause in the same way as some of the worst dictators of the 20th century.

Stinger

I'm still waiting for you to tell us what we CAN do to get information from these captives? What if we know they have valuable information as to operations and logistics that will stop planned attacks.

How far can we go and be specific. First it was Geneva Conventions except we can't question them at all if we treat them under those agreements to which they are not a party. So what is it, how far can we go to get information of vital national security and protection of our troops?

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Lightdemon

Has it come to that? That we are forced to torture people for our safety? Is that what you're saying?

While we chant Torture is Safety, we might as well chant Freedom is Slavery.

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