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Should Trump have to get the required number of delegates to win GOP nomination?

Should Trump have to get the required number of delegates to win GOP nomination?

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ModerateGOP said:
Yes those are the rules for the GOP! He should have run as a democrat if he wanted more lenient rules on this type of stuff as more of their delegates are proportional rather than winner take all. The reason trump supporters think Trump should get the nomination even if he doesn't get the required number of delegates is because they think he will get close enough. Well, as you should have learned in school, close enough, isn't winning!
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Except that NO ONE wins for real until the first, and sometimes second or third, ballot is taken at the convention. The dems are no different. In fact worse from a people's choice point of view, they have super delegates. But in practice the one with the overwhelmingly large lead takes the first ballot. Precisely because that is the voice of the voters.

And you should have learned in school that close enough, in real life, IS winning. Horse shoes and hand grenades being two of those situations where close enough is good enough for the win.

This isn't going to be a good election for you. You've staked yourself out on the losing side early on, and that's your choice. This constant complaining about it now just makes it all look like sour grapes.
 
Crusdr57 said:
I'd divide them equally 3 ways.


The Dem system is unfair. The 'most likely winner' is not necessarily the people's choice. (Also, remember in Iowa, they flipped a coin [6 times] to decide that HRC won.)
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You are victim of misreporting. There where some number of coin flips(exact number not known, 7 +), and Sanders won some(possible more than half, though again unknown), and the coin flips where for county delegates, of which there are about 11,000. In other words, even if Clinton won all the coin flips(she did not), that still would not have effected the outcome or the state delegates awarded. Here is a little reading: All you need to know about caucus coin flips
 
clownboy said:
Except that NO ONE wins for real until the first, and sometimes second or third, ballot is taken at the convention. The dems are no different. In fact worse from a people's choice point of view, they have super delegates. But in practice the one with the overwhelmingly large lead takes the first ballot. Precisely because that is the voice of the voters.

And you should have learned in school that close enough, in real life, IS winning. Horse shoes and hand grenades being two of those situations where close enough is good enough for the win.

This isn't going to be a good election for you. You've staked yourself out on the losing side early on, and that's your choice. This constant complaining about it now just makes it all look like sour grapes.
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Actually traditionally it's been more of a confirmation than anything else because no one has polarized such a large number of voters as trump has done recently. It's not going to be a good election for Trump either. I'm not complaining about anything. At this point I am #Nevertrump #Neverclinton. First time in my life I've considered not voting. It'll be a fun convention and I am actually looking forward to a brokered convention. You Trump people are the ones complaining about it.
 
If Trump secures the nomination with less than 50% of the primary vote, then I don't want to hear any more whining from anyone about superdelegates. Ever.
 
If Trump goes into the convention with 1,100 delegates and the next highest only has 700 or so then, Yes, Trump should be the nominee. If the count is close, like within a hundred delegates or so, then it should be a jump ball between Trump and whoever is second. If the nomination goes to someone with 300 delegates or no delegates that would be cause to disband the GOP altogether.

The people, not the party, are supposed to pick the candidates.
 
X Factor said:
Interesting but a little non sequitur. This is all about Trump obtaining the requisite number of delegates. Should that happen, as much as I dislike the thought, he should get the nomination. If he fails, though, it's like leaving a boxing or MMA match up to the judges. Can't really complain if you didn't score the KO.
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You could have a scenario of ... lets say at the end of the primary elections Trump got 1200 delegates ( 37 short of nomination ) and Cruz had 700 (I'm not saying this is how it will end up its just a scenario). Yyes technically a convention a nomination for anyone could happen. But honestly if someone is far and away ahead in a scenario like I described they are the one that 'should' get the nomination.
 
SocialD said:
You could have a scenario of ... lets say at the end of the primary elections Trump got 1200 delegates ( 37 short of nomination ) and Cruz had 700 (I'm not saying this is how it will end up its just a scenario). Yyes technically a convention a nomination for anyone could happen. But honestly if someone is far and away ahead in a scenario like I described they are the one that 'should' get the nomination.
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Because the argument then is that Trump fell short by 37 votes and its not right to give him the nomination if he did not get the required majority........ but then the other side steps into a huge pile of utter inane nonsense when they then claims but on the other hand its perfectly right to give it to somebody else to was hundreds less than a majority or maybe even somebody who did not even run at all.

There is simply no logic to that position and it shows that this is about one thing and only one thing and that is stopping Trump from the nomination because they fear
1- losing control of the party structure and in turn their own jobs and influence
2- losing the November election
 
Trump has hired Paul J. Manafort to manage his delegate portfolio. Manafort is tasked with gaining the support of delegates at the Republican convention in Cleveland this summer

Mr. Manafort previously worked with the election campaigns of Gerald Ford and George Bush.



Unknown to most Americans, Manafort worked as a Senior Adviser to the corrupt and deposed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych (wanted by Interpol for massive embezzlement).

Manafort is also a personal friend of the pro-Russia Ukrainian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov. Trump himself has long reminded me of a corrupt Russian oligarch.
 
X Factor said:
I'm seeing some suggestion of foul play by Trump supporters if Trump isn't awarded the nomination regardless of whether he has all the delegates needed or not. Still, it's not like those rules are new or made up just for this election. Is there some reason things should operate differently this year?

poll on the way
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A deal putting kasich in the driver seat would be fine by me. Does anyone know the contract for the RNC vote?
 
OrphanSlug said:
"Some other response not covered in the first 3 options"

Mainly because that is not quite the absolute that everyone is making it out to be. If Trump gets the required delegates there is still the outside chance that party shenanigans could force him out no matter how improbable it may be. The so called "nuclear option" reserved for the condition where no one has enough delegates but the front-runner still does not win.

So, "should Trump have to get the required number of delegates to win GOP nomination?" He may have no practical choice... just to make it that much more complicated and sinister for the majority of delegates (presumably including his) at the convention to change the rules.

The thing to keep in mind is the primary process is not really a democratic process. It looks like it is, but in reality the delegates at the convention can effectively set up their own rules based on the conditions of the primary race. All they would really have to do, no matter if Trump has the threshold delegates or is still out front but not at threshold, is vote to change the rules and set themselves up to vote for whichever candidate they want. It could literally be done in closed meeting as the political parties themselves have no oversight with the announcement made at the end of the convention.

The only way to make this less likely to happen is Trump not just getting the threshold delegates but obtain even more to ensure any backroom shenanigans runs into as much opposition as possible. It is a mess for the party right now and I suspect they are looking for methods to avoid Trump being the nominee no matter how many delegates he holds at that point.
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If Trump gets the pre-requisite number of delegates prior to the RNC, he's the GOP nominee outright. That should not be taken from him at the convention.

If he doesn't get to 1270 (or whatever that magic number is), he shouldn't be handed the nomination just because he received the majority of delegate votes.

Sidenote: For those who are wondering (or in case it hasn't been mentioned here yet), the 2012 rules don't apply for the 2016 GOP primaries (referring here to rule 40(b). For 2012, the GOP candidate had win 8 primary states to become the nominee. That requirement doesn't apply for 2016.
 
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Trump or any other candidate in either party has to get the required delegates to get the nomination. Either by the Caucus or primary process. If either of those two doesn't happen then a brokered convention will happen. That process is nothing new as it has happened in the past.
 
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