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How should the US respond to the terrorist attacks in Europe?

Many past refugees had much more similar cultures to the US and could more easily be integrated. We already see the negative consequences in Europe of non integration why do you want that in the US?

Apples and oranges. America (along with Canada, Australia...) has much higher integration capacity. Majority-Arabic Dearborn, MI shows none of the systemic problems we see in the segregated Muslim enclaves of France or Britain.

As for "not similar cultures", the same was said about the Irish, Poles, Italians, etc. (And there were some terrorists among them as well: President McKinley was killed by a Polish immigrant, FDR almost killed by an Italian one...)
 
We need to keep doing what we're doing and when opportunities present themselves launch appropriate massive attacks.

We'll be right over to carpet-bomb Europe. :mrgreen: Better get under your desk.
 
OTHER !
of course
We are so god-damned stupid about this !
We are still using the same old tired .. tried but NOT true approach .. .. to this world wide problem ..
We MUST ever so slowly "rethink" .
IMO, only true intellectuals can HELP with the solution .. the problem solvers MUST work together ! and think "boxless" or without any limits ..for instance , we tend to think we are better than others (Arabs , for one) this is detected by the ISIS extremists and the Islamics and their terroristic supporters .. sometimes "ourselves" ! ! ! Ourselves with our "privacy-mania" . an example is Apple , refusing to cooperate with our government , re: the info lock up inside terrorist a cell-phone .
 
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Check with the U.S. Supreme Court on that. I'm sure that they will have a good answer for you.

Do you have an answer? I don't believe the SCOTUS has ruled that we cannot protect our borders or decide who we allow in as residents.
 
Who said that it says that?

Post a link.


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Stop Muslim immigration
and secure the borders. No more domestic surveillance.


Not going to happen.

Read the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

You said that the first amendment had something to do with the immigration issue. Please explain your conclusion.
 
Not going to happen.

Read the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

I have read it, and I don't see how it is relevant. Our Constitution's guarantees of individual rights do not apply to aliens outside the U.S. That does not mean I support Mr. Trump's overly broad, stupid suggestions about restricting immigration, but this country is completely free to admit or exclude any aliens for any reason, just as we please.

The way to deal with people like the murderers in Brussels and Paris is first to stop pretending they are not inspired by their religious beliefs, and then to determine to destroy the entire jihadist ideology for good. The effort to retake Mosul, the opening moves in which are already under way, is overdue--by years. But now we cannot afford to let it be too little, too late. The prestige of the U.S. is at stake, and we must make sure this campaign succeeds, even if that requires a substantial American ground force with artillery and possibly armor.

An important part of defeating the jihadists is not just to beat them in battle, but to make the victories so decisive as to humiliate them. Doing things by halves only allows them to portray themselves as heroes who are successfully resisting the infidels, in spite of their enormous military power. The world needs to see images of jihadists running for their lives, but being chased down and struck with weapons they have no answer for.

I was glad to read about a recent incident at an Al Qaeda training camp near the southern coast of Yemen. Drone surveillance had showed 70-80 jihadists at this camp, and it also showed that they all lined up for dinner. Not very bright. A couple days ago, while they were lined up, one or more U.S. aircraft served up something the rats were not expecting. Apparently several dozen were killed, the rest wounded, and very large fires started in the camp. Since rock and sand don't burn, that last made me wonder what they were storing there.
 
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1. Continue current policies?
2. Step up terror alerts?
3. More domestic surveillance and limit immigration?
4. Sit and hands and weep?
5. Pray?
6. Could never happen here again so I don't care?

Allow law enforcement agencies do their job and stop allowing terrorists to govern your life.
 
Then why are you using them in your argument?



Because I want to.And you can't stop me from doing that.Deal with it.

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"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
Because I want to.And you can't stop me from doing that.Deal with it.

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"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers

IOW, you backed yourself into a corner with no way out.
 
How about this:

#1) Let the countries who've been attacked deal with it
#2) Only offer assistance if/when asked directly by those who've been attacked
#3) Don't fight other countries battles
#4) Don't be complacent and think we're "safe" from similar attacks
#5) Don't volunteer to be other countries police force or security force



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1. Continue current policies?
2. Step up terror alerts?
3. More domestic surveillance and limit immigration?
4. Sit and hands and weep?
5. Pray?
6. Could never happen here again so I don't care?

Take in a baseball game with a Cuban dictator?
 
Stop Muslim immigration and secure the borders. No more domestic surveillance.

I agree 100% w/ your first statement, but we MUST continue the domestic surveillance as there are already (potential) Terrorists here in the US, and there are US Citizens who have, (and/or possibly will) become radicalized.

Also, we can't just ban Muslims due to the probability of Immigrants, (or 'Refugees') having faked/forged paperwork, and/or the complete lack thereof. IF we don't know who they are, and can't find out, they shouldn't be allowed in, regardless.

(Good to see I'm not the only one screwing up when submitting a Poll. :2razz: )
 
Joining forces is a lot like fighting other people's battles.
Must be very careful there.

Let France and Belgium unleash some whoop-ass on their own. Other close allies in Europe can help them if they volunteer.

The USofA needs to take a step back from being the spear-tip when it comes to retaliation and as some might say, revenge.

France and Belgium, (and all EU members) have brought this upon themselves due to their nonsensical Immigration, and open-border Policies. France is now 10% Muslim, and EVERY 'Refugee' that's been accepted into the EU IS a potential Terrorist. Unfortunately, their Leaders are also members of the PC Crowd, and they're ALL unwilling to unleash some whip-ass on their own...or w/ outside help, for that matter. (Not that other EU Members are rushing to their aid.)

Many past refugees had much more similar cultures to the US and could more easily be integrated. We already see the negative consequences in Europe of non integration why do you want that in the US?

I'm hoping the US, and our leaders WILL learn from the EU's mistakes, but I'm very doubtful they will as it seems 'Political Correctness' overrides ALL. (And this is one of the main reasons I voted for Trump!)
 
Soon Europe will be begging for US boots on the ground in their own countries to expel the enemy force..
 
Federal surveillance of toddlers is one woefully underfunded government function. Do you think a couple of billion will be enough?

Which misses my point entirely. There are some that would have us throw another trillion and thousands of American serviceman lives in another quagmire with "boots on the ground" to defeat ISIS when they are not a significant threat to the United States.
 
Which misses my point entirely. There are some that would have us throw another trillion and thousands of American serviceman lives in another quagmire with "boots on the ground" to defeat ISIS when they are not a significant threat to the United States.

We are sadly very childish about this stuff. In our rush to have mamma protect from everything bad in the world we'd spend billions, kills thousands of innocent citizens of other countries as well as thousands of our own kids - who apparently don't count in the "protecting us from everything" calculation.
 
1. Continue current policies?
2. Step up terror alerts?
3. More domestic surveillance and limit immigration?
4. Sit and hands and weep?
5. Pray?
6. Could never happen here again so I don't care?

.... by not being terrorized. Terrorism works because people react in a manner that is disproportionate to the actual threat. We way over-reacted to 9/11 and just made the situation worse (fueled more terrorism and hatred within the middle east). For the most part, the way to react to terrorism is to go on living. "Blaming Islam" by treating Muslims different than we treat Presbyterians is exactly what that terrorists want: division. Don't let them win this chess game. Don't let them manipulate us.

Fighting terrorism is more police work (which would include the FBI/CIA and Interpol) than a matter for the military. To have effective police work, we need the Muslim community working with us to flush out the terrorists, not working against us because we have turned on them.
 
Amendment I. … Where does it say that we must allow any and all non citizens to invade our borders?

Of course it does not say that. Otoh, it does preclude prohibitions against the free exercise of religion.

Many Americans believe that foreign nationals are denied constitutional rights, but that's generally not the case. Specifically, the due process clause contained in both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantees rights to "all persons."

While some distinctions between foreign nationals and citizens are normatively justified and consistent with constitutional and international law, most are not. The significance of the citizen/noncitizen distinction is more often presumed than carefully examined. Upon examination, there is far less to the distinction than commonly thought. In particular, foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake. — "Are Foreign Nationals Entitled to the Same Constitutional Rights As Citizens?," Thomas Jefferson Law Review, vol. 25, March 2010, 367-388​

There's precedent in Boumediene v. Bush (2008), a case dealing with detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. All nine justices agreed that constitutional protections do not apply only to Americans. The Bush administration didn't even advance that argument.

Frumpy's proposal to ban Muslims from entering the US is entirely consistent with the current wave of right-wing, anti-immigrant hysteria, and with a more generalized desire to use Big Gubmint to suppress individual freedoms under the heavy weight of authoritarian restrictions, but it's clearly unconstitutional. It also violates a number of US treaty obligations related to human rights. But that's OK with The Clown from Fifth Avenue. He wants us to drop out of the Geneva Convention and go back to torturing prisoners. I suppose he thinks he can negotiate a better deal.
 
Of course it does not say that. Otoh, it does preclude prohibitions against the free exercise of religion.

Many Americans believe that foreign nationals are denied constitutional rights, but that's generally not the case. Specifically, the due process clause contained in both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantees rights to "all persons."

While some distinctions between foreign nationals and citizens are normatively justified and consistent with constitutional and international law, most are not. The significance of the citizen/noncitizen distinction is more often presumed than carefully examined. Upon examination, there is far less to the distinction than commonly thought. In particular, foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake. — "Are Foreign Nationals Entitled to the Same Constitutional Rights As Citizens?," Thomas Jefferson Law Review, vol. 25, March 2010, 367-388​

There's precedent in Boumediene v. Bush (2008), a case dealing with detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. All nine justices agreed that constitutional protections do not apply only to Americans. The Bush administration didn't even advance that argument.

Frumpy's proposal to ban Muslims from entering the US is entirely consistent with the current wave of right-wing, anti-immigrant hysteria, and with a more generalized desire to use Big Gubmint to suppress individual freedoms under the heavy weight of authoritarian restrictions, but it's clearly unconstitutional. It also violates a number of US treaty obligations related to human rights. But that's OK with The Clown from Fifth Avenue. He wants us to drop out of the Geneva Convention and go back to torturing prisoners. I suppose he thinks he can negotiate a better deal.

Boumediene v Bush was a 5-4 split not unanimous. and it only addressed Habeas Corpus not constitutional protections in general.
 
Of course it does not say that. Otoh, it does preclude prohibitions against the free exercise of religion.

Many Americans believe that foreign nationals are denied constitutional rights, but that's generally not the case. Specifically, the due process clause contained in both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantees rights to "all persons."

While some distinctions between foreign nationals and citizens are normatively justified and consistent with constitutional and international law, most are not. The significance of the citizen/noncitizen distinction is more often presumed than carefully examined. Upon examination, there is far less to the distinction than commonly thought. In particular, foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake. — "Are Foreign Nationals Entitled to the Same Constitutional Rights As Citizens?," Thomas Jefferson Law Review, vol. 25, March 2010, 367-388​

There's precedent in Boumediene v. Bush (2008), a case dealing with detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. All nine justices agreed that constitutional protections do not apply only to Americans. The Bush administration didn't even advance that argument.

Frumpy's proposal to ban Muslims from entering the US is entirely consistent with the current wave of right-wing, anti-immigrant hysteria, and with a more generalized desire to use Big Gubmint to suppress individual freedoms under the heavy weight of authoritarian restrictions, but it's clearly unconstitutional. It also violates a number of US treaty obligations related to human rights. But that's OK with The Clown from Fifth Avenue. He wants us to drop out of the Geneva Convention and go back to torturing prisoners. I suppose he thinks he can negotiate a better deal.

What are the specific constitutional issues with denying classes of people the ability to immigrate? I agree it's a bad idea, goes against our founding ideals and may well violate treaties that we are signatory to but I'm not seeing the Constitutional issue.
 
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