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Trump Dilemma if he doesn't get the nominee.

If Trump doesn't get the republican nominee will he run third party?

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jamesrage said:
If Trump gets more delegates than Cruz and the republicans screw him with a brokered convention to give it to Cruz,Kasick, or some other republican who did not get most of the votes then Trump runs 3rd party.
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That is not the Republicans "screwing" Trump. That is TRUMP screwing Trump, because those are the rules HE agreed to by running in the Republican Party.

The rules of this race were NEVER, "he who wins a plurality of the delegates wins". it was "he who wins the majority of the delegates wins".

If Trump doesn't win the majority of delegates before the convention then he LOST when it came to the election season, no different than Jeb Bush or Rick Santorum or Ron Paul. Because you either get a majority of your lose as it relates to the initial vote; those were the rules Trump agreed to by signing on.

If he fails to make a compelling enough argument during the primary to garner a majority of delegates, that's on him. That's him screwing himself, not the GOP doing it.

And then, if a brokered convention occurs, and Trump...because of his attitude, because of his campaign, because of his history in terms of political positions, etc...is unable to convince enough delegates that HE should be the nominee, then again he loses. And he loses according to the rules HE agreed to.

That is not someone "screwing" him, other than himself.
 
Zyphlin said:
Trump supporters routinely claim that "Mr. Trump is a man of his words"

If that's true, then anything short of the GOP changing the rules of the convention should not result in a third party run for Trump. If HE FAILS to gain the needed amount of delegates by the time of the convention, and HE FAILS to garner enough support from other delegates to reach the majority, then HE will lose because of his own failures and problems by the rules that he agreed to in the first place. If that happens, and if the Trump Supporters who have been filling the air waves are right, then "Mr. Trump should be a "man of his words" and not run third party in such a situation.

But no, I don't think that will happen. If he doesn't get the nomination at this point for any reason other than Ted Cruz somehow beating him in the delegate count prior to the convention, Trump will likely run 3rd party, because Trump is a dishonest lying ****bag who's singularly out for himself and will change at a moments notice if it's advantageous for him to do so.
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A problem could arise because of the rules they haven't made yet.
As for a 3rd Party run, the ones talking about that are not him ... but it's still early.
 
RetiredUSN said:
If the GOP steals the nomination, the convention will turn into a war zone.

And rightfully so.
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What? Excuse me if I am mistaken, but didn't you complain about and call the protesters who are protesting at Trump's rallies now names?

People can't protest him now? But if the GOP screws him, then people can protest?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
What? Excuse me if I am mistaken, but didn't you complain about and call the protesters who are protesting at Trump's rallies now names?

People can't protest him now? But if the GOP screws him, then people can protest?
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Nobody on this entire forum said nobody should be able to protest. There are protesters, and there are animals.........big difference. That is what you see protesting @ Trump rallies.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Nobody on this entire forum said nobody should be able to protest. There are protesters, and there are animals.........big difference. That is what you see protesting @ Trump rallies.
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So let me get this straight on what you are saying.. If the pro-Trump protesters turn the GOP convention into a 'war zone'(your words), that's ok? But the people who are NOW protesting against Trump.. They are animals?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
So let me get this straight on what you are saying.. If the pro-Trump protesters turn the GOP convention into a 'war zone'(your words), that's ok? But the people who are NOW protesting against Trump.. They are animals?
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Who said it was ok? I said it would be a war zone. Figure of speech...metaphore................... Get it?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Who said it was ok? I said it would be a war zone. Figure of speech...metaphore................... Get it?
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Hmmm... YOU said it would be OK.. You wrote 'rightfully so'. That sure sounds like you are approving of the 'war zone'.

What I'm reading is you think when Republicans protest, that's right. When Dems do it at Trump rallies they are animals.
 
I think if you understand who Trump's supporters are, I would say he's one third party candidate that can win. I say that because of the level of dissatisfaction in the USA with leadership in general - the "establishment" and the "business elites".

I won't list the grievances, you know them all by now, but most people who support him agree with this statement:

"Trump may be exaggerating a bit, but I know they other candidates are flat out lying to me".

That is exactly what is going on.

And by the time the election is held, if Obama doesn't agree to indict Hillary, I cannot imagine any way she can win with the constant leaks and civil lawsuits except in corrupt states like Chicago or California, and that is not enough to win.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Hmmm... YOU said it would be OK.. You wrote 'rightfully so'. That sure sounds like you are approving of the 'war zone'.
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It will be a war zone if they take away the nomination......period!

And..........there will be violence.

And then, there will be a mass exodus from the GOP, making way for a new party. The GOP will end up like the ghost town of Chernobyl.
 
chuckiechan said:
I think if you understand who Trump's supporters are, I would say he's one third party candidate that can win. I say that because of the level of dissatisfaction in the USA with leadership in general - the "establishment" and the "business elites".

I won't list the grievances, you know them all by now, but most people who support him agree with this statement:

"Trump may be exaggerating a bit, but I know they other candidates are flat out lying to me".

That is exactly what is going on.

And by the time the election is held, if Obama doesn't agree to indict Hillary, I cannot imagine any way she can win with the constant leaks and civil lawsuits except in corrupt states like Chicago or California, and that is not enough to win.
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Of course if Trump gets the nom and all his skeletons come out of the closet Clinton might end up looking like the honest candidate.

Anyone who does extensive business in NYC and NJ(maybe the most corrupt state in the union) is dirty, very dirty. Personally I don't care, that's just the way business is done there. But I find it funny some people go on and on calling Clinton, and other politicians liars, criminals and felons, but they will then will happily look past Trump's lies and dirty dealings because he's NOT a politician.
 
Populist rhetoric, empty promises, and deep pockets. Trump is surprisingly similar to a Russian oligarch.
 
Zyphlin said:
That is not the Republicans "screwing" Trump. That is TRUMP screwing Trump, because those are the rules HE agreed to by running in the Republican Party.

The rules of this race were NEVER, "he who wins a plurality of the delegates wins". it was "he who wins the majority of the delegates wins".

If Trump doesn't win the majority of delegates before the convention then he LOST when it came to the election season, no different than Jeb Bush or Rick Santorum or Ron Paul. Because you either get a majority of your lose as it relates to the initial vote; those were the rules Trump agreed to by signing on.

If he fails to make a compelling enough argument during the primary to garner a majority of delegates, that's on him. That's him screwing himself, not the GOP doing it.

And then, if a brokered convention occurs, and Trump...because of his attitude, because of his campaign, because of his history in terms of political positions, etc...is unable to convince enough delegates that HE should be the nominee, then again he loses. And he loses according to the rules HE agreed to.

That is not someone "screwing" him, other than himself.
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The GOP violated a condition of the agreement when they stopped supporting him. In my opinion, the official position is a sham, the GOP has been critical of him, and the GOP attack dogs are trying to prevent him from getting the required number of delegates.

Trump is released. Too bad he can't sue them for violating the agreement.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Seems like there's lots of talk about Trump, whether he will get the nominee or if some of the GOP will push to somehow not give it to him and give it to Cruz. This isn't about if they actually can, this isn't about if it will be Cruz and this isn't about if he will get the nominee.

My question is simple:

If Trump doesn't obtain the republican nominee do you really think he wouldn't run for president anyway?
Yes he will still run
No he will not run
Other

I personally think he will run regardless and if he does get it I think somebody else like Cruz will also run cause the GOP hopes to go from highly unlikely to impossible.
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Warning, pure speculation to follow: I am still not convinced that he even wants to be President. If it weren't for his campaign taking off, and hence his huge ego being stroked like it never has been before, I think he'd have dropped out long ago.

I believe that if he doesn't get the Rep nomination, he will not run 3rd party/independent.
 
RetiredUSN said:
It will be a war zone if they take away the nomination......period!

And..........there will be violence.

And then, there will be a mass exodus from the GOP, making way for a new party. The GOP will end up like the ghost town of Chernobyl.
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I agree with you. But your 'rightfully so' just struck as you trying to excuse those protesters at the GOP convention, while you calling current Trump protesters 'animals'. I don't see the difference except 1 group is mostly Dem and the other will be mostly Republicans. They're both wrong or they're both right.

Have a nice day.
 
radcen said:
Warning, pure speculation to follow: I am still not convinced that he even wants to be President. If it weren't for his campaign taking off, and hence his huge ego being stroked like it never has been before, I think he'd have dropped out long ago.

I believe that if he doesn't get the Rep nomination, he will not run 3rd party/independent.
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Hard to say. Part of me thinks that if he gets screwed out of the nomination (it certainly looks like he'll have the delegates; it will take almost unprecedented chicanery to keep him off the ticket), he'd run third party just to stick it to those who stuck it to him.
 
Tonawanda said:
The GOP violated a condition of the agreement when they stopped supporting him. In my opinion, the official position is a sham, the GOP has been critical of him, and the GOP attack dogs are trying to prevent him from getting the required number of delegates.

Trump is released. Too bad he can't sue them for violating the agreement.
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There is not, and never has been, a notion that every individual in a party must not be critical of a person running in that parties primary. If that WAS a condition, Donald Trump himself would be in violation.

Now, if you're talking about the RNC, the republican national committee and essentially "the party" from an organization level, do you have any evidence or links you can provide of the RNC criticizing him or pulling support from him?
 
Kobie said:
Hard to say. Part of me thinks that if he gets screwed out of the nomination (it certainly looks like he'll have the delegates; it will take almost unprecedented chicanery to keep him off the ticket), he'd run third party just to stick it to those who stuck it to him.
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And I could see that as a possibility. But it would have to be a "prove 'em wrong / stick it to 'em" type of thing.
 
chuckiechan said:
I won't list the grievances, you know them all by now, but most people who support him agree with this statement:

"Trump may be exaggerating a bit, but I know they other candidates are flat out lying to me".

That is exactly what is going on.
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No, it's not. Trump is exactly as, if not more, full of **** than the "establishment" candidates. He spews nothing but bald-faced lies.
 
radcen said:
Warning, pure speculation to follow: I am still not convinced that he even wants to be President. If it weren't for his campaign taking off, and hence his huge ego being stroked like it never has been before, I think he'd have dropped out long ago.
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I 100% agree. I've been saying that for months. I don't think he ever really wanted it, campaigning is a grinding schedule, and he's got to do it himself, he can't hire other people to do it for him. And as you said, once his campaign took off, and it's not costing him money, yet, because of his ego he stuck with it.

But damn I never thought he would go this long. I thought by now his popularly would lessen, and he'd would have dropped out already. So who knows anymore.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I agree with you. But your 'rightfully so' just struck as you trying to excuse those protesters at the GOP convention, while you calling current Trump protesters 'animals'. I don't see the difference except 1 group is mostly Dem and the other will be mostly Republicans. They're both wrong or they're both right.

Have a nice day.
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OK.... perhaps the wordage put you off track. I can buy that.....as I am not the sharpest tool in the box.

As far as the word animals? It applies. Screaming profanities in peoples ears from 3 feet away is not in accordance with civilized behavior, and it should be condemned by everyone.

As far as violence goes, you can read most any of my posts and you can see where I am a "live & let live" kinda guy. But, I also understand when people get pushed around long enough, they will eventually forget about being civilized.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I 100% agree. I've been saying that for months. I don't think he ever really wanted it, campaigning is a grinding schedule, and he's got to do it himself, he can't hire other people to do it for him. And as you said, once his campaign took off, and it's not costing him money, yet, because of his ego he stuck with it.

But damn I never thought he would go this long. I thought by now his popularly would lessen, and he'd would have dropped out already. So who knows anymore.
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We're on the same page. I boggles my brain cells that he has become as popular as he has.

ETA: *IF* he were to become President, I can easily see him becoming bored after six months or so, especially after the "honeymoon" ends.
 
All depends on HOW he doesn't get it. He doesn't like to be treated unfairly by the Republican Party. If he loses legitimately, he'll step down; but if they screw him out of it, he'll run independent.
 
Zyphlin said:
There is not, and never has been, a notion that every individual in a party must not be critical of a person running in that parties primary. If that WAS a condition, Donald Trump himself would be in violation.

Now, if you're talking about the , do you have any evidence or links you can provide of the RNC criticizing him or pulling support from him?
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In my opinion, the official position is a sham, the GOP has been critical of him, and the GOP attack dogs are trying to prevent him from getting the required number of delegates.
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Neither one of us know what was discussed and promised by RNC, the republican national committee and essentially "the party" from an organization level. And since, it is likely their is no written contract, it is a moot point. If either one decides not to keep their word, its over.

Your original premise related to the number of delegates is correct.
 
I'm on record saying many times i feel there will be three people running for president regardless of what happens. So my answer is yes
 
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