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Captured ISIL prisoners- where should they face trial?

US Citizen captured in Iraq – trial held where?

  • Us Citizen -Trial in Iraq Yes

    Votes: 5 33.3%

  • US Citizen- Extradited to US for trial - Yes

    Votes: 2 13.3%

  • Other foreign nationals -Trial in Iraq? Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other foreign nationals -Trial in Iraq? No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Extradited to country of origin for trial - Yes

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Extradited to country of origin for trial – No

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Case by case basis, decided by Iraqi’s - Yes

    Votes: 2 13.3%

  • Case by case basis, decided by Iraqi’s - No

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Not sure where trial to be held

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Total voters
    15
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Captured ISIL prisoners- where should they face trial?

Crimes committed in Iraq
Iraq’s judicial system is corrupt.
Witnesses in Iraq
Evidence is in Iraq- Not all but most
Yes the US does have laws to charge and prosecute.
As do many countries, not all but many do

US Citizen captured in Iraq – trial held where?
Trial in Iraq Yes
Extradited to US for trial - Yes


Other foreign nationals -Trial in Iraq? Yes

Other foreign nationals -Trial in Iraq? No

Extradited to country of origin for trial - Yes

Extradited to country of origin for trial – No

Case by case basis, decided by Iraqi’s - Yes

Case by case basis, decided by Iraqi’s - No

Not sure where trial to be held
 
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My question would be, "Why are we not shooting ISIL prisoners on the battlefield"?

Assuming of course that we've already waterboarded them or done whatever else might be most expedient to get whatever information they might have out of them.
 
Depends on the nature of their crimes.
 
JANFU said:
Captured ISIL prisoners- where should they face trial?

Crimes committed in Iraq
Iraq’s judicial system is corrupt.
Witnesses in Iraq
Evidence is in Iraq- Not all but most
Yes the US does have laws to charge and prosecute.
As do many countries, not all but many do

US Citizen captured in Iraq – trial held where?
Trial in Iraq Yes
Extradited to US for trial - Yes


Other foreign nationals -Trial in Iraq? Yes

Other foreign nationals -Trial in Iraq? No

Extradited to country of origin for trial - Yes

Extradited to country of origin for trial – No

Case by case basis, decided by Iraqi’s - Yes

Case by case basis, decided by Iraqi’s - No

Not sure where trial to be held
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Since the US has no troops on the ground they have no horse in the race. Technically it is murder and mayhem within a sovereign nation, Iraq, so the responsibility for the costs of a trial and subsequent punishment should be theirs.
 
soot said:
My question would be, "Why are we not shooting ISIL prisoners on the battlefield"?

Assuming of course that we've already waterboarded them or done whatever else might be most expedient to get whatever information they might have out of them.
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Because its a war crime.

Or do you endorse the same methods ISIS uses?
 
soot said:
My question would be, "Why are we not shooting ISIL prisoners on the battlefield"?

Assuming of course that we've already waterboarded them or done whatever else might be most expedient to get whatever information they might have out of them.
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Because our enemies remember that when they capture ours and our allies soldiers. Because giving them recruiting propaganda is a dumb ass "tactic."

And quite frankly, because we are better than that. Because we claim to have moral superiority over them. And by doing what you suggest, any moral legitimacy we claim to have goes right out the door.
 
This will continue to be a recurring issue for as long as Islamic militants commit their atrocities, and it's one that hasn't been solved ever since Bush sent captured Islamic militants to Gitmo.

In the history of human kind, we've never faced a situation similar to this, at least that I can think of.

What should the civilized world do with those that are as uncivilized as Islamic militants?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Since the US has no troops on the ground they have no horse in the race. Technically it is murder and mayhem within a sovereign nation, Iraq, so the responsibility for the costs of a trial and subsequent punishment should be theirs.
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Except the US does have troops on the ground. Not a lot, but some
How Involved Are US Special Forces in Fight Against Islamic State?
PENTAGON—

As Defense Secretary Ash Carter calls for continued U.S. "boots on the ground" in Iraq and Syria to defeat the Islamic State (IS) group, the public is still trying to figure out the current role of U.S. troops deployed there.

The United States currently has about 3,550 service members in Iraq, with about 2,750 of those aiding Iraqi security forces as trainers, advisers or support staff, according to U.S. Central Command data released to VOA.

Some 100 of these are special forces, according to defense officials. There are also 50 U.S. special operations forces in Syria.
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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...U-S-targeting-force-now-in-place-in-Iraq.html
“The specialized expeditionary targeting force I announced in December is now in place and is preparing to work with the Iraqis to begin going after ISIL’s fighters and commanders,” Carter said at Fort Campbell in Kentucky.

While the force was expected to number only about 200, its deployment marks the latest expansion of U.S. military pressure on ISIS. It also exposes American forces to greater risk, something President Barack Obama has done only sparingly.
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Fearandloathing said:
WHAT?

And Obama said there would be "no boots on the ground". What a kidder!

From my perspective it's still the responsibility of the 'host' government. The cycle of hate will only be fueled if the US prosecutes.
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I see your point.
Though they do deserve a fair trial.
Last though, I wonder how many will be captured alive? I am not implying executed on the battlefield, but literally captured alive.
Those that ran/ escaped-retreated from the last city ISIL lost, were all executed in horrific ways.
 
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soot said:
My question would be, "Why are we not shooting ISIL prisoners on the battlefield"?

Assuming of course that we've already waterboarded them or done whatever else might be most expedient to get whatever information they might have out of them.
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Ummm sometimes in war people get captured, and once you capture them it's a war crime to just murder them.
 
JANFU said:
I see your point.
Though they do deserve a fair trial.
Lat though, I wonder how many will be captured alive? I am not implying executed on the battlefield, but literally captured alive.
Those that ran/ escaped-retreated from the last city ISIL lost, were all executed in horrific ways.
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Based on who are the combatants, how the 'war' has been fought and publicized, and the nature of the conflict I would predict there will be much fewer POW's than most wars.

They should be tried, under modern law. We, the west have been claiming to have a better way than theirs for decades, trying to impose our will on them with questionable tactics; this time let democracy show it works, no more of this shipping them out of sight
 
JANFU said:
Why?
I note you only mention Americans. Why?
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Jurisdictional issues. If they've never lived here, have never been here, and have never committed a crime here, the United States doesn't have any grounds to prosecute them on.
 
JANFU said:
Why?
I note you only mention Americans. Why?
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No American should have to stand trial in some foreign court that may not respect their full, constitutional rights.

They're terrorist swine, but still Americans.
 
JANFU said:
Captured ISIL prisoners- where should they face trial?

Crimes committed in Iraq
Iraq’s judicial system is corrupt.
Witnesses in Iraq
Evidence is in Iraq- Not all but most
Yes the US does have laws to charge and prosecute.
As do many countries, not all but many do

US Citizen captured in Iraq – trial held where?
Trial in Iraq Yes
Extradited to US for trial - Yes


Other foreign nationals -Trial in Iraq? Yes

Other foreign nationals -Trial in Iraq? No

Extradited to country of origin for trial - Yes

Extradited to country of origin for trial – No

Case by case basis, decided by Iraqi’s - Yes

Case by case basis, decided by Iraqi’s - No

Not sure where trial to be held
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Gitmo.....by military tribunal.
 
Van Basten said:
No American should have to stand trial in some foreign court that may not respect their full, constitutional rights.

They're terrorist swine, but still Americans.
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So any US Citizen, charged anywhere in the world should be extradited to the US for trial. Yes -no -
 
JANFU said:
So any US Citizen, charged anywhere in the world should be extradited to the US for trial. Yes -no -
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no.

most often American who commit crimes in other countries are arrested by the local police, making it a local issue, with the host country having jurisdiction.
 
JANFU said:
Could you expand- from murder to being a technocrat- each one supports ISIL.
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I know this isn't what you want to hear, but citizens have to be held to the laws of their country. Corrupt or no, US law is not international law. US courts are not international courts.
 
Van Basten said:
No American should have to stand trial in some foreign court that may not respect their full, constitutional rights.

They're terrorist swine, but still Americans.
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What?

Since when does an American have American rights when in a sovereign country? You break the law in Mexico, you face their laws, their ways. You break the law in Canada, you do the time in Canada.

Any American goes to fight with the terrorists, let them try him for murder under Sharia law.
 
Thrilla said:
Gitmo.....by military tribunal.
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As we have seen those tribunals do not work well.
How many convictions?
How long to trial.
Gitmo should be closed
 
eohrnberger said:
This will continue to be a recurring issue for as long as Islamic militants commit their atrocities, and it's one that hasn't been solved ever since Bush sent captured Islamic militants to Gitmo.

In the history of human kind, we've never faced a situation similar to this, at least that I can think of.

What should the civilized world do with those that are as uncivilized as Islamic militants?
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If caught in the act?




Kill them.
 
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