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Are you #NeverTrump?

#NeverTrump?

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haymarket said:
While I share the loathing of Trump that many do here - with all due respect to some of my friends on the GOP side - I wonder how much of it is merely bitching and crying right now but come fall they will do their duty to the Republican Party and vote for Trump anyways?

I say this thinking about a member right here who went on for months in many posts about his dislike for Mitt Romney in in 2012 but then admitted that he voted for the man in November against Obama because his utter hate for Obama seemed to motivate him more than anything else. In the end, all his words were hollow and meant nothing compared to his actual action.

I wonder if people right here on the right who rant and rave about how bad Trump is will not do the same in November if the choice is Trump versus Clinton?
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I think many will hold their noses and vote for Trump if his opponent is Hillary Clinton. I've stated publicly that I am going to vote against Clinton, so I'm one of those people faced with the HORROR of casting a vote for him. I don't know that I can...but I have never not voted and take my responsibilities as a citizen very seriously. This is a choose-your-poison situation.

But much is yet to unfold. Will, for example, Clinton be indicted before November?
 
nota bene said:
I think many will hold their noses and vote for Trump if his opponent is Hillary Clinton. I've stated publicly that I am going to vote against Clinton, so I'm one of those people faced with the HORROR of casting a vote for him. I don't know that I can...but I have never not voted and take my responsibilities as a citizen very seriously. This is a choose-your-poison situation.
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Jim Webb is running as an independent - a former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, former Blue-Dog Senator who left the party, Vietnam Veteran. He won't win, but he's a vote I will not be ashamed of myself for making later.
 
jimbo said:
Key word being might. I've also heard the same concerning Hillary.

With the current crop of candidates, a lot of voters are looking for a home that doesn't exist.
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Someone pointed out that, if it's Hillary v Trump, it will come down to two candidates who both have to deal with the fact that the majority of their own party find them untrustworthy.
 
haymarket said:
yes - I accept that there are those differences you explained. However, all I am asking is that regardless of the reasoning, regardless of the explanations, regardless of the justifications - in the end - I suspect that some of the same people right here who complain about Trump will indeed vote for him in November.

Hate for the longer standing enemy will be more powerful that dislike of Trump.
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I think (and hope) it will be a rare occurrence. I am ready to vote for Clinton if Trump is really the alternative, and virtually all my libertarian and conservative friends say the same thing.
We are just praying for Massachusetts staying solidly blue according to polls, so we don't have to actually do it, and have instead the luxury of voting for Gary Johnson (or whoever) ...
 
cpwill said:
Jim Webb is running as an independent - a former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, former Blue-Dog Senator who left the party, Vietnam Veteran. He won't win, but he's a vote I will not be ashamed of myself for making later.
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I hear you. I have it easy not having to worry about Hillary Clinton getting any support from my state in a general election... but I expect I may not like the LP candidate either this year, so hell, I may just leave President blank.

Edit: Or write in Optimus Prime.
 
cpwill said:
Donald Trump is now seen unfavorably by around 63% of all Americans, after about 10 days of actual negative campaigning from opponents (when the Democrats and the Media finally pile on, who knows how high that will get). As he stands for a rejection of the principles that the Republican Party has traditionally embodied, conservatives are increasingly joining the #NeverTrump movement, which is made up of conservatives who state that they cannot and will not vote for Trump, should he be the GOP nominee. I am wondering how well this forum reflects the numbers out there.
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Trump is a lowlife and can be dismissed outright. What he has done, however, is he's filtered out the absolute worst elements of America and purified them into a single, contained group that we can point to and say, "That's them: America's worst." If they all magically disappeared tomorrow (like, say, deporting them en masse or barring them from entry into the country, wouldn't that be ironic), there would be an immediate, measurable improvement in the nation.
 
cpwill said:
Jim Webb is running as an independent - a former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, former Blue-Dog Senator who left the party, Vietnam Veteran. He won't win, but he's a vote I will not be ashamed of myself for making later.
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Uh Webb is not running as an independent. He is no longer in the race. But he isn't that much different from Kasich TBH. I like both of them.

Jim Webb rules out independent run for president - POLITICO
 
nota bene said:
I think many will hold their noses and vote for Trump if his opponent is Hillary Clinton. I've stated publicly that I am going to vote against Clinton, so I'm one of those people faced with the HORROR of casting a vote for him. I don't know that I can...but I have never not voted and take my responsibilities as a citizen very seriously. This is a choose-your-poison situation.

But much is yet to unfold. Will, for example, Clinton be indicted before November?
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I strongly suspect that there is less than a one percent chance Clinton will be indicted. So that prospect is more of a right wing wet dream than anything else.

Would you go third party?
 
The signature line speaks for itself.
 
Cardinal said:
Trump is a lowlife and can be dismissed outright. What he has done, however, is he's filtered out the absolute worst elements of America and purified them into a single, contained group that we can point to and say, "That's them: America's worst." If they all magically disappeared tomorrow (like, say, deporting them en masse or barring them from entry into the country, wouldn't that be ironic), there would be an immediate, measurable improvement in the nation.
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Well, not entirely. There are plenty of elements that belong in that portion that aren't part of the Trump coalition. If we are going to start sending our worst elements to colonize the oceans (or whatever), I can think of quite a few folks that also belong there. The BLM folks are no better the white nationalists (at least Trumps' folks aren't killing cops yet), and the La Raza and Black Panther People can all join the Der Trumpenfuhrer types abroad.
 
nota bene said:
I think many will hold their noses and vote for Trump if his opponent is Hillary Clinton. I've stated publicly that I am going to vote against Clinton, so I'm one of those people faced with the HORROR of casting a vote for him. I don't know that I can...but I have never not voted and take my responsibilities as a citizen very seriously. This is a choose-your-poison situation.

But much is yet to unfold. Will, for example, Clinton be indicted before November?
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IMO, that's probably the biggest if in this election. If the Clinton scandals get too close to being Obama scandals, Hillary will have tire tracks on her butt.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Trump needs to put his money where is mouth is and move all his hat and tie business to America. He will never do this, because of the "great deals" he has made, and I think the GOP needs to focus on some of that message. Unless he does that, I never will or can think of voting for Trump.
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oh

so you would move your business back to America KNOWING that in doing so, it would turn to failure?

When the other companies he competes against have to play by the same rules, then we can talk

Why the hell do you think Berkshire Hathaway stopped making inserts for jackets here? Think Buffett just wanted to close the factory down?

It no longer made financial sense....

Tell us, what business acumen do you possess that could turn around the industry?

Please enlighten us
 
As to the question of the poll, two answers:

1)pragmatically, #nevertrump, assuming Clinton or Sanders ends up being the Democratic candidate.
2)in the name of intellectual honesty I suppose I'd have to go with #depends on who the Democrat is. Technically, a genetic experiment could take place in which Hitler is revived and the scientists made sure to repeat all of the history and traumas the original Hitler suffered just to test nature vs. nurture. Then Revived Hitler went into politics and ran as a Democrat. In which case, sure, at that point I'd (probably) have to vote for Trump.
 
ModerateGOP said:
You know that is not a bad idea, Although I am hoping that it won't come to that and Kasich can pull off a minor miracle in Ohio and at the convention. We'll see.
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first Bush

and now Kasich

you really are a dreamer
 
gdgyva said:
oh

so you would move your business back to America KNOWING that in doing so, it would turn to failure?

When the other companies he competes against have to play by the same rules, then we can talk

Why the hell do you think Berkshire Hathaway stopped making inserts for jackets here? Think Buffett just wanted to close the factory down?

It no longer made financial sense....

Tell us, what business acumen do you possess that could turn around the industry?

Please enlighten us
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It's not a business decision. It's a political decision. He had to say, "Apple should make phones in America," "Carrier shouldn't have moved to Mexico." When he himself doesn't even make hats in America. He's an idiot!
 
cpwill said:
Jim Webb is running as an independent - a former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, former Blue-Dog Senator who left the party, Vietnam Veteran. He won't win, but he's a vote I will not be ashamed of myself for making later.
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Webb is a good person, and he did well as a Senator. I was not aware he had an independent candidacy in place.
 
ModerateGOP said:
It's not a business decision. It's a political decision. He had to say, "Apple should make phones in America," "Carrier shouldn't have moved to Mexico." When he himself doesn't even make hats in America. He's an idiot!
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Which, given that much of Apple is made in America, is entertaining, until he's a front-runner for anything.

jimbo said:
Webb is a good person, and he did well as a Senator. I was not aware he had an independent candidacy in place.
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Apparently he dropped out last month and I missed it :( There goes my Plan B.
 
gdgyva said:
first Bush

and now Kasich

you really are a dreamer
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I have never endorsed anyone yet and I did like Bush but he wasn't that high on the list. Liking a candidate doesn't mean endorsing them and becoming their cheerleader. I never did that for Jeb
 
ModerateGOP said:
It's not a business decision. It's a political decision. He had to say, "Apple should make phones in America," "Carrier shouldn't have moved to Mexico." When he himself doesn't even make hats in America. He's an idiot!
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so because he wants other companies to move back, you want him to move his back first?

do you think he has plans to change a few rules first?

or do you just want failing businesses everywhere?

no one....repeat no one in their right mind would move them back under these conditions

there has to be changes....he recognizes that....do you?
 
ModerateGOP said:
I have never endorsed anyone yet and I did like Bush but he wasn't that high on the list. Liking a candidate doesn't mean endorsing them and becoming their cheerleader. I never did that for Jeb
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Apparently not a lot of people liked him. That said, it was surreal to see him being one of the only two or three not-insane candidates on stage during the debates. He sported a permanent exasperation, which can be summed up as "What...I can't...how...you can't do that...you can't kill the families of terrorists!....HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE INSANE?"
 
gdgyva said:
so because he wants other companies to move back, you want him to move his back first?

do you think he has plans to change a few rules first?

or do you just want failing businesses everywhere?

no one....repeat no one in their right mind would move them back under these conditions

there has to be changes....he recognizes that....do you?
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YES! If he did that and made better deals he could tout that experience. What's better? "I was being forced by investors to move my hat business to china, but I held strong and made better deals than they wanted, and now my hats are selling better than ever." or "Apple make your phones in America!!!!"

He does? He seems to be doing more ordering first rather than talking about policy changes. So he should put his wallet where his mouth is.
 
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