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Trump Supporters: What's the Most Important Issue?

What's the most important issue for Trump Supporters?

  • Trade/Jobs/Economy

    Votes: 12 44.4%

  • Immigration/The Wall

    Votes: 11 40.7%

  • Terrorism

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Foreign Affairs

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Health Care

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Taxes and Regulations

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Energy/Oil

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Gun Control

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • Environment

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Education

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    27
JackA said:
What exactly is the effect on me of black racism in the United States. Is it a feeling that I don't belong, don't quite fit in, in a country with 13 percent black population? That wherever I go there seems to be a black policeman looking at me cross eyed? That I'm forever envious of my black neighbor's ancestors who came here on a slave ship when mine only came on the Mayflower!
Oh, please understand the burden I carry, being white.
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Or that if you drive through certain largely black neighborhoods, you fear for your life?
 
Ntharotep said:
Interesting and I am not disputing the cited figure but in the beginning of the election period it was Economy that Americans thought was the most important issue. I wonder if the media really does control the minds of voters...
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Well if you listen to the current admin, the economy has been completely turned around. So...no worries there.
 
Mason66 said:
Or that if you drive through certain largely black neighborhoods, you fear for your life?
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I took a wrong turn in St Louis and got pulled over by the cops. It was dusk. They questioned me about why I was there. Single white male heading into that part of town meant drugs or hookers. They told me that if I got in trouble after dark there, they would send someone after my body in the AM...they dont even go there at night. I explained I just made wrong turns and needed to know how to get back to the interstate. Luckily...they bought my story and didnt check my trunk.........
 
Mason66 said:
Or that if you drive through certain largely black neighborhoods, you fear for your life?
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The difference is that most white Americans rarely if ever have to drive through black neighborhoods
while most black Americans find themselves in white dominated environments every day.
 
reinoe said:
It's like another discussion when Trump said Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Liberals and people with no knowledge of international agreements work immediately claimed it was ridiculous. When it was pointed out that Remittances can be taxed those same people became silent.
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If you want to have that discussion at least be honest about it. It wasn't "liberals" who don't buy his ridiculousness. It is democrats, independents, most libertarians, liberals, most republicans and a large portion of the conservatives.

Corporations that ship jobs overseas can be taxes. When the cost of doing Business in INDIA/CHINA/VIETNAM/PHILLIPINES is the same as the cost of doing business in America then there's no point in having those jobs overseas.
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There is plenty wrong with that. If you studied or understood things like economics, or the very international agreements that you referenced above you may find that it is not as simple as that.

Just because you know so little about business and trade that you can't see the forest for the trees doesn't mean that everyone else is that ignorant.
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Oh by all means please explain that to me. The brilliance of yours was able to to determine what I do and don't know from a few small posts on the internet so you are clearly an expert in international business and trade. I surely hope you'll take the time to educate me so I can stop listening to all these other so called experts who do it for a living. I should have known internet forums is where the real knowledge is.

I am curious, please detail the plan Trump has to actually make this happen. Trump declaring high tax on chinese is no different than Michael Scott yelling "I declare bankruptcy" out of a window. There are decades of agreements in place that Trump would be violating if he were to do that, and congress would never be allowed to legally pass it. But being the international trade expert you are you already knew this and already know the solution for that right?
 
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Kreton said:
If you want to have that discussion at least be honest about it. It wasn't "liberals" who don't buy his ridiculousness. It is democrats, independents, most libertarians, liberals, most republicans and a large portion of the conservatives.



There is plenty wrong with that. If you studied or understood things like economics, or the very international agreements that you referenced above you may find that it is not as simple as that.



Oh by all means please explain that to me. The brilliance of yours was able to to determine what I do and don't know from a few small posts on the internet so you are clearly an expert in international business and trade. I surely hope you'll take the time to educate me so I can stop listening to all these other so called experts who do it for a living. I should have known internet forums is where the real knowledge is.
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The same experts who have been constantly wrong about everything from "Free Trade Is Good For America" to claiming "Iraq Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction" to "Arming Moderate Rebels" to "The American Economy Will Collapse Without Billions In Bank Bailouts". After a certain point common sense has to kick in.

The moderate rebels were associated with terrorists. Free Trade has unequivocally been bad for America. The too big to fail banks are bigger than ever. Yes you keep yourself beholden to the "experts" who want the status quo and who have been wrong about nearly everything for the past 20 years. After a certain point you're gonna have to realize their only expertise is polishing turds and convincing Americans to buy their bull****.
 
reinoe said:
The same experts who have been constantly wrong about everything from "Free Trade Is Good For America" to claiming "Iraq Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction" to "Arming Moderate Rebels" to "The American Economy Will Collapse Without Billions In Bank Bailouts". After a certain point common sense has to kick in.

The moderate rebels were associated with terrorists. Free Trade has unequivocally been bad for America. The too big to fail banks are bigger than ever. Yes you keep yourself beholden to the "experts" who want the status quo and who have been wrong about nearly everything for the past 20 years. After a certain point you're gonna have to realize their only expertise is polishing turds and convincing Americans to buy their bull****.
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Those are all really cool words and I am happy for you for being able to write them all by yourself. Help yourself to a cookie. However, that combination of words fails to address my post. Rather than telling me that someone else is full of **** without any actual proof, how about you tell me how this can actually happen. I edited my post above and you may have missed that part of it so I'll post it again.

I am curious, please detail the plan Trump has to actually make this happen. Trump declaring high tax on chinese is no different than Michael Scott yelling "I declare bankruptcy" out of a window. There are decades of agreements in place that Trump would be violating if he were to do that, and congress would never be allowed to legally pass it. But being the international trade expert you are you already knew this and already know the solution for that right?


Also these people who are you are claiming are wrong, without knowing who I was talking about or what they had said. Brilliant on your part by the way. Takes a real smart and open minded man to know someone is wrong without knowing who they are or what they said. Kudos. Here are a few quotes I'd like to see you disprove when you have the time to impart you wisdom upon me so I can quit listening to this nonsense.

“That 20% tax would be an absolutely straightforward violation of probably every trade law the United States has with any other country,” Joshua Meltzer, a fellow in global economy and development at the Brookings Institution.

“All of our existing agreements lock us into lower tariffs,” Claude Barfield, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute who supports lowered trade barriers.

“Absolutely illegal,” Robert E. Scott, director of trade and manufacturing research at the Economic Policy Institute and a strong critic of past trade agreements like NAFTA, told msnbc when asked about Trump’s 20% import tax.
 
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Kreton said:
Those are all really cool words and I am happy for you for being able to write them all by yourself. Help yourself to a cookie. However, that combination of words fails to address my post. Rather than telling me that someone else is full of **** without any actual proof, how about you tell me how this can actually happen. I edited my post above and you may have missed that part of it so I'll post it again.

I am curious, please detail the plan Trump has to actually make this happen. Trump declaring high tax on chinese is no different than Michael Scott yelling "I declare bankruptcy" out of a window. There are decades of agreements in place that Trump would be violating if he were to do that, and congress would never be allowed to legally pass it. But being the international trade expert you are you already knew this and already know the solution for that right?


Also these people who are you are claiming are wrong, without knowing who I was talking about or what they had said. Brilliant on your part by the way. Takes a real smart and open minded man to know someone is wrong without knowing who they are or what they said. Kudos. Here are a few quotes I'd like to see you disprove when you have the time to impart you wisdom upon me so I can quit listening to this nonsense.

“That 20% tax would be an absolutely straightforward violation of probably every trade law the United States has with any other country,” Joshua Meltzer, a fellow in global economy and development at the Brookings Institution.

“All of our existing agreements lock us into lower tariffs,” Claude Barfield, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute who supports lowered trade barriers.

“Absolutely illegal,” Robert E. Scott, director of trade and manufacturing research at the Economic Policy Institute and a strong critic of past trade agreements like NAFTA, told msnbc when asked about Trump’s 20% import tax.
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I already told you...

1. The laws can be changed
2. You're beholden to the status quo.
3. The status quo is beholden to polishing turds and feeding the American people bull****.

Unless you're saying that a trade deal is eternal. Here's a hint, they're not.
 
tres borrachos said:
How is he going to "fix Washington"? I'd like to see some specifics. Not platitudes....specifics. Where is he going to start, what are the specific "broken" items, what are the individual steps he plans to take, who will be on the team leading the project, what are the milestones, how long will it take him to "fix" it? It sounds like you're convinced he can do it, so I'm sure you have done your homework and have bought into his plan.
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no president can do it, they only way to begin the process, is to put the federal government into its proper place per the constitution, and to return to the ways of the founders on how the congress makes law.
 
JackA said:
The difference is that most white Americans rarely if ever have to drive through black neighborhoods
while most black Americans find themselves in white dominated environments every day.
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That has nothing to do with what I posted.
 
reinoe said:
lulz at a Libtertarian who thinks invading Iraq made us safe or who thinks toppling Assad will make us safe or thinks removing Gadaffi and arming terrorists in Libya makes us safe. Seriously lulz at that statement.
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lulz at someone who thinks our country has been at war for only 15 years. Serious lulz
 
reinoe said:
I already told you...

1. The laws can be changed
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How? Please elaborate. Saying that has 0 substance. Please support your argument.

2. You're beholden to the status quo.
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I am asking you to explain your position and that translates as I am beholden to the status quo. Are you able to provide an intelligent explanation of you position or, like Trump, are you going to simply just say things that don't address what is being asked?

3. The status quo is beholden to polishing turds and feeding the American people bull****.
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Again.......just see above. C'mon.


Unless you're saying that a trade deal is eternal. Here's a hint, they're not.
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Of course they aren't. Are you suggesting they expire the day Trump walks into office? Or during his presidency? Or that they aren't in place for a reason? Or that congress will approve such a drastic change? Even if they did how would that impact the United States? How exactly is Trump going to make this a reality? How will he control the aftermath?
 
OrphanSlug said:
What happened to the "Make America Great Again" bit?
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You make America great by deporting the cheap foreign criminal, and taking his job.
You make America great again, by rebuilding USA factory's, and posting US war ships to
shoot container ships. (military view of ending free trade deals)

You cant make America great by employing foreign criminals with homes and taxpayer funded healthcare, and leaving US CITIZENS homeless and
no healthcare.
 
akrunner88 said:
While I think all the issues listed are important, and I don't support Trump particularly, my opinion on education is that the more educated our society is, the more diversified we can make our economy and therefore the more jobs we can create. Also, the more diversified our economy is, this decreases the chance of one sector or two sectors bringing down everyone else like oil is bringing down all of Saudi Arabia and Russia currently.

So I think jobs and education are related, both on an individual level and a societal level and we definitely want to promote education to make our people more competitive over our partners, allies and enemies in the world.
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PHD or unskilled labor. You cant "compete" with slaves and currency manipulation.

So "education" and everyone getting a $200k (becoming indentured servant) PHD will not help.
 
jonny5 said:
lulz at someone who thinks our country has been at war for only 15 years. Serious lulz
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lulz at someone who thinks I said that when I never did. I can keep this up all day.
 
notquiteright said:
Actually you miss the point... no President is king, we the people wanted cheap crap and opened the door for corporate greed.

If you are older than 20 you'd know Reagan, some time Patron Saint of the New GOP, is quoted as saying- "Our trade policy rests firmly on the foundation of open markets"

He launched the Uruguay trade negotiations in 1986. He pushed for the Canada-US free trade agreement of 1988. That latter included Mexico. He vetoed two protection bills for textiles. Us imports went from 334 billion in 1980 to 663 in 1988.

BushI continued the trend- It was he who actually pushed for NAFTA, he SIGNED that agreement.

I know some on the Rabid Right like to blame things on the Clintons, but the reality is the GOP and their policies that walked us off the cliff. Clinton was faced with a signed agreement from a previous administration, like he was faced with a crap fest in Somalia, and was pretty much in a bind, to back us out of NAFTA would get attacked as unreliable to our allies. (think of all the crap we have faced due to that BS)

No ya can't pin this on Clinton, he was looking at making a deal for healthcare and went along with the previous administration's SIGNED agreement. It looks like he miscalculated the GOP congress critters he needed for healthcare...

But nice try... :peace
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I agree w/ most of what you've stated here...except for your last para.



Free-Trade has little to do w/ affordable Health Care for US Citizens.

I'll never forget Bill and Hillary on TV, both promising to enact an 'affordable' Health Care system for ALL Americans, and HRC would create and run it.

HRC has SAID, (in the 90s and in recent Debates) that she took on Insurance/Drug Companies, etc. BUT, she failed miserably. (Wimped-out is an accurate description.) She also bragged at recent Debates that she did get 'affordable' HC for children...which is true in some cases.

You could say Bill miscalculated his wife...but, in reality, it was just another Campaign Promise by lying Politicians,
 
JackA said:
The difference is that most white Americans rarely if ever have to drive through black neighborhoods
while most black Americans find themselves in white dominated environments every day.
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Then you'd think that those black Americans would take a look at how things are done in those white neighborhoods and realize that they have to be doing something fundamentally wrong if they'd rather live that way. But instead, it's just a bunch of finger-pointing and whining.
 
Trump's big issue, which he actually knows something about, is trade. Probably without meaning to, he has opened a smelly clan of worms for Republican congressmen running in November. Democrats are as culpable as Republicans for the harmful effects wrought by our trade agreements, no one more so than Mrs. Clinton's husband. But Democrats are positioned this year to distance themselves from the agreements while Republicans, captive to the big money interests that like them, just as they are captive to the Koch Brothers, et al, on climate change, are not. Trump spoke the other day of his future Republican allies in the House, as he sees them. I wonder if he understands the grief he is laying in their paths.
 
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