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Is the Black Panther Party the black equivalent of the KKK?

Is the Black Panther Party the black equivalent of the KKK?

  • Yes. The Black Panthers are the black version of the KKK

    Votes: 28 38.9%

  • No. The Black Panthers are NOT the black version of the KKK

    Votes: 39 54.2%

  • Other. Explain

    Votes: 5 6.9%
  • Total voters
    72
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Since Beyonce's controversial Superbowl halftime performance, there's been some discussion that the Black Panthers are no different than the Ku Klux Klan. I have white friends who think the Panthers are the black version on the KKK. I have black friends who are like: "What?!?! You've got to be kidding me. I understand perception is reality to the the one who perceives, so what's your view?
 
I don't know much about the modern day Black Panther Party. Historically, I disagreed with their methods but there is a clear distinction between the two.

The KKK, identifying as white nationalists were already on top and sought to keep their foot on the heads of the black race. The Black Panthers, being on the bottom, sought to rise up. And their stated goals (not sure if actual goals) were to be equal to the white race, while the KKK's intended goals were to maintain dominance over the black race.

So no, they are not equivalent. As far as the methods used by the historic Black Panther, that's definitely a topic of discussion. And I'm not endorsing them or their methods either, just laying out that distinction and the aims of both groups.
 
i dont think they lynched anyone yet - but they not my friends.
 
akrunner88 said:
I don't know much about the modern day Black Panther Party. Historically, I disagreed with their methods but there is a clear distinction between the two.

The KKK, identifying as white nationalists were already on top and sought to keep their foot on the heads of the black race. The Black Panthers, being on the bottom, sought to rise up. And their stated goals (not sure if actual goals) were to be equal to the white race, while the KKK's intended goals were to maintain dominance over the black race.

So no, they are not equivalent. As far as the methods used by the historic Black Panther, that's definitely a topic of discussion. And I'm not endorsing them or their methods either, just laying out that distinction and the aims of both groups.
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Are you sure that the black panthers just want to be completely equal and not dominant in any way?

For the record I DO NOT support the kkk.. But I do support the 1st amendment for both the panthers and kkk..
 
Orly? said:
Are you sure that the black panthers just want to be completely equal and not dominant in any way?

For the record I DO NOT support the kkk.. But I do support the 1st amendment..
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Re-read what I posted.

And their stated goals (NOT SURE IF ACTUAL GOALS) were to be equal to the white race
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No, I'm not sure, as I stated.
 
The problem with viewing phenomena is that often they get taken out of their respective historical material context. Blacks are the victims of institutional racism, for them to organize and even employ violence is in no way comparable to the KKK, which sort to reinforce institutional racism. The connotation of "White Lives Matter" is inherently distinct from that of "Black Lives Matter."

The Black Panther Party, however, went beyond anti-racism. They organize their community with a variety of social programs to combat poverty, gang activities, poor education, and drug use. Of course they are militant. They have to be.
 
Smeagol said:
Since Beyonce's controversial Superbowl halftime performance, there's been some discussion that the Black Panthers are no different than the Ku Klux Klan. I have white friends who think the Panthers are the black version on the KKK. I have black friends who are like: "What?!?! You've got to be kidding me. I understand perception is reality to the the one who perceives, so what's your view?
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Unequivocally not.
 
Left Vendetta said:
The problem with viewing phenomena is that often they get taken out of their respective historical material context. Blacks are the victims of institutional racism, for them to organize and even employ violence is in no way comparable to the KKK, which sort to reinforce institutional racism. The connotation of "White Lives Matter" is inherently distinct from that of "Black Lives Matter."

The Black Panther Party, however, went beyond anti-racism. They organize their community with a variety of social programs to combat poverty, gang activities, poor education, and drug use. Of course they are militant. They have to be.
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A group can do good things but still present themselves in a way that a person doesn't support. The Italian mafia in Italy would give money to the community and to churches. But they were still the mafia. No I am not saying the Black Panthers and the Italian Mafia were the same. my point was to illustrate that groups can do good things but still not be something you agree with.
 
Racism is racism is racism. The New Black Panther Party are as vile a group of racist scum as has ever existed. So yes, they are the black equivalent of the KKK. Without question.

Listen to their leader call for the killing of white people. You be the judge.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mri2ZtPosvU
 
SocialD said:
A group can do good things but still present themselves in a way that a person doesn't support. The Italian mafia in Italy would give money to the community and to churches. But they were still the mafia. No I am not saying the Black Panthers and the Italian Mafia were the same. my point was to illustrate that groups can do good things but still not be something you agree with.
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The next town up from me the Outlaws MC biker club built the public school's playground in that town.

Few years later busted for prostitution..
 
Orly? said:
The next town up from me the Outlaws MC biker club built the public school's playground in that town.

Few years later busted for prostitution..
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yea that's a more relevant example really. A lot of those bikers participate in BACA ( bikers against child abuse ) .. when they aren't involved in other criminal activies..
 
SocialD said:
A group can do good things but still present themselves in a way that a person doesn't support. The Italian mafia in Italy would give money to the community and to churches. But they were still the mafia. No I am not saying the Black Panthers and the Italian Mafia were the same. my point was to illustrate that groups can do good things but still not be something you agree with.
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Of course you do not agree with them, but even so you cannot say that they are equivalent of the KKK.
 
countryboy said:
Racism is racism is racism. The New Black Panther Party are as vile a group of racist scum as has ever existed. So yes, they are the black equivalent of the KKK. Without question.

Listen to their leader call for the killing of white people. You be the judge.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mri2ZtPosvU
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The New Black Panther Party has nothing to do with original one. In fact, members of the original BPP condemned the New BPP.
 
Left Vendetta said:
The New Black Panther Party has nothing to do with original one. In fact, members of the original BPP condemned the New BPP.
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They are the black panthers in existence today.
 
lb_on_teh_cb said:
good question. black folks have been decent to me almost always but for some reason i doubt that group would be.

they're def nowhere near as bad as the KKK was though.
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You should look them since you identified as "Communist."
 
countryboy said:
They are the black panthers in existence today.
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They are not the black panthers in existence today. They are a vile antisemitic (amongst other things) organization who tried to cash in on the social capital of the original BPP by adopting their name.
 
Left Vendetta said:
Of course you do not agree with them, but even so you cannot say that they are equivalent of the KKK.
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And I didn't. I do think there is a difference. There has been cases of the new black panthers being involved in racial violence. Original member Bobby Seale and foundation of original Huey Newton have both criticized and condemned the New Black Panthers.

"[T]hey denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the white establishment. The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people" Huey Newton Foundation
"Just to hate another person because [of] the color of their skin or their ethnicity—we don't do that. That's not what the goal objective is." - Bobby Seale

So I dunno .. pretty sketchy.
 
The KKK has disavowed violence and criminal activity; the Black Panthers haven't.
 
instagramsci said:
They are not the black panthers in existence today. They are a vile antisemitic (amongst other things) organization who tried to cash in on the social capital of the original BPP by adopting their name.
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The original black panthers are not in existence today. The OP asked if the black panther party is the equivalent of the KKK, as in, present tense. The new black panther party is the only organization to identify by that name today.
 
SocialD said:
And I didn't. I do think there is a difference. There has been cases of the new black panthers being involved in racial violence. Original member Bobby Seale and foundation of original Huey Newton have both criticized and condemned the New Black Panthers.

"[T]hey denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the white establishment. The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people" Huey Newton Foundation
"Just to hate another person because [of] the color of their skin or their ethnicity—we don't do that. That's not what the goal objective is." - Bobby Seale

So I dunno .. pretty sketchy.
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I was referring to the original BPP. Nothing defensible about the new one.
 
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