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Should Anti Gay Stickers be Allowed in School?[W:937]

Should Anti Gay Stickers be Allowed in School?

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Re: Should Anti Gay Stickers be Allowed in School?

Although the thought of such a sticker is abhorrent to me, I STRONGLY believe in free speech.

And any sticker that does not encourage violence against people should be allowed...no matter what it says.

If the stickers are just anti gay, that is awful but should be acceptable, IMO.

But if the stickers say something like 'Beat up gays'...that is inciting violence and should not be allowed, IMO.

People should be allowed to express their peaceful dislike for almost anything.
 
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X Factor said:
Wow, that's pretty heavy stuff. Between this and that road memorial thread, quite a few things have hit close to home for you, haven't they?
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I guess I just have a more personal connection to the topic than I wish to have, and part of me wishes at the time when he was alive that what he went through didn't have to personally affect me in order for me to sympathize with the things he was dealing with. And that goes for a lot of issues, people can't seem to quite understand "What is the big deal?" and I get that as I'm just as guilty of it as most people are or can be.
 
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X Factor said:
Wow, that's pretty heavy stuff. Between this and that road memorial thread, quite a few things have hit close to home for you, haven't they?
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he also makes an excellent point i left off, which is that if their home life sucks and they can't be themselves there either, it's like nowhere they can go. I can tell you from experience just how suffocating that is and why a rainbow sticker would've helped to counteract that at least to a degree

then to have that thrown in my face by dozens of my classmates and the so-called adults doing nothing about it would've been hugely depressing
 
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Helix said:
i don't see a good reason to allow heterosexual students to bully their gay peers, so no.
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what if its the reverse? what if gay students display stickers that are anti-straight or anti christian?
 
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TurtleDude said:
what if its the reverse? what if gay students display stickers that are anti-straight or anti christian?
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The reverse is no more acceptable than the former and should also be discouraged.
 
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Henrin said:
It's a sticker. If you're intimidated by a sticker you seriously need to grow a pair.
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just admit that you wore them yourself, probly gonna show up to work with one monday just to show everyone they need to grow a pair. Just be sure to report back to us after your beating/firing
 
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akrunner88 said:
The reverse is no more acceptable than the former and should also be discouraged.
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agreed, did you see my initial post? Black lives matter is OK to me-"black lives don't matter" isn't. White lives matter-OK-white lives don't matter-not OK

Gay is great-ok to me-"gays suck" isn't.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what if its the reverse? what if gay students display stickers that are anti-straight or anti christian?
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this has probably never happened in the history of ever but no, it's not acceptable
 
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chromium said:
i've actually never heard of that but once again you're putting words in my mouth
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Honestly hadn't heard the term either. I just remembered a story about some gay activists throwing glitter and looked for it. Apparently it's a popular thing for gay activists to do.

http://priceonomics.com/the-glorious-history-of-glitter-bombing/

Can we agree that everyone should keep their glitter to themselves?


and as someone who was bullied yourself apparently, i'm kind of disgusted it's like you're reaching to find a way to justify this. Did "dave" throw glitter on newt gingrich? Wtf did "dave" do to anyone to deserve all this open hostility? He's there to learn and has a right to do so safely and free of harassment
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I totally understand it can be difficult to not take this stuff personally, but I'm not justifying anything, buddy. Just keeping throwing out food for thought. I need to go here pretty soon anyway.
 
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chromium said:
this has probably never happened in the history of ever but no, it's not acceptable
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I have actually seen anti Christian stickers but your main point is sound

I saw some escort at a planned parenthood who had a patch on her jacket that had "BREEDER" with a red line through it. It was hilarious and it pissed off some of the anti abortion protestors
 
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chromium said:
just admit that you wore them yourself, probly gonna show up to work with one monday just to show everyone they need to grow a pair. Just be sure to report back to us after your beating/firing
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What is your problem? Stop attacking me for no reason.
 
Re: Should Anti Gay Stickers be Allowed in School?

X Factor said:
Inspired by this:

Anti-Gay Stickers At High School In Indio Touch Off Debate: Hate Speech Or Free Speech? « CBS Los Angeles

The follow up to the story is that the school reversed it's decision and they are not allowed. My first impulse is to say no. What possible purpose would that serve? Why would you even want to ID yourself that way? On the flip side, pro gay symbols are allowed and would anyone object to, say, anti Christian symbols? How about anti Jewish symbols? Taking all that into consideration, I still think no, but I'd think that would need to be consistent. What do you think?

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No to anything the school, which is private property with their own rules and per SCOTUS not bound by the First Amendment, chooses not to allow.

That said, the school in question has opined that yes, anti-gay and pro-gay stickers, etc., are allowed in that particular school. I see no inconsistency, I see no discrimination against the anti-gay folk.

Do I personally think it's hate speech? Not unless it advocates violence. Do I personally think it's hateful? Yep. Just as I'd think anti-black, anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-Jew, anti-any other group of people would be. The only reason anyone would sport "anti" stickers against any religion, sexual orientation or race is, well, to be hateful. The constitution allows them to be hateful, and for that they should be grateful.

Yes, I meant it to rhyme. :)
 
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TurtleDude said:
what if its the reverse? what if gay students display stickers that are anti-straight or anti christian?
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i don't see a good reason for allowing kids to bully each other with stickers in school. i'm not sure i've heard of a case in which homosexual students are using stickers to bully heterosexuals. either way, kids should choose a venue other than school to fight their culture wars.
 
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Helix said:
i don't see a good reason for allowing kids to bully each other with stickers in school. i'm not sure i've heard of a case in which homosexual students are using stickers to bully heterosexuals. either way, kids should choose a venue other than school to fight their culture wars.
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cannot argue with that. sound thinking
 
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akrunner88 said:
They shouldn't have to be intimidated in the first place as the stickers have no place in the school. You come there to learn, not to bully other kids.
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If you find yourself intimidated by a sticker there something else going on. It's not reasonable to be intimated by some random sticker by a douchebag.
 
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X Factor said:
Inspired by this:

Anti-Gay Stickers At High School In Indio Touch Off Debate: Hate Speech Or Free Speech? « CBS Los Angeles

The follow up to the story is that the school reversed it's decision and they are not allowed. My first impulse is to say no. What possible purpose would that serve? Why would you even want to ID yourself that way? On the flip side, pro gay symbols are allowed and would anyone object to, say, anti Christian symbols? How about anti Jewish symbols? Taking all that into consideration, I still think no, but I'd think that would need to be consistent. What do you think?

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I have gone back in forth in my head on this about 5 times in a couple minutes. As a general and good rule, free speech trumps all. However, there are limits to free speech, and as the purpose of school is learning, there are limits(ie you cannot use your free speech to spout of random **** in class, disrupting the ability of the class to function). So that would be what it would boil down to, would such stickers be disruptive enough to interfere with the purpose of school. AS such, I would leave it up to localities, since they actually know what is or is not happening in their schools. As a general rule, unless it is seriously disruptive, I would tend to go with free speech, but if a locality has problems, I would think it is ok to ban them(though I would ban pro-gay stickers as well in such a case out of fairness).
 
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Helix said:
i don't see a good reason for allowing kids to bully each other with stickers in school. i'm not sure i've heard of a case in which homosexual students are using stickers to bully heterosexuals. either way, kids should choose a venue other than school to fight their culture wars.
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I absolutely agree with that. If it was my school, I would allow positive messages, ie., Rainbow Coalition, Jesus Saves, Vote For [fill in the blanke] etc., but not negative messages that were designed with only one message in mind: To be hateful to a group of individuals based upon race, religion or sexual orientation. Therefore, I don't approve of the school's decision to allow both types of messages, but cannot take issue with their chosen neutrality in the matter either. I just wish it wasn't deemed politically incorrect to prevent little Johnny from sporting a "I hate Fags" sticker just because little Joey is allowed to wear a rainbow pin.

But that's just me, and had nothing to do with what I believed the OP was asking.
 
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X Factor said:
Any problem with kids putting NRA stickers on their IDs and notebooks? How about a pentagram?
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IDs, yes, since I don't think anything should be put on an ID. Notebook, no problem at all.
 
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Anti-gay stickers should not be allowed in any schools.

Stickers that are specifically pro-gay should not be allowed in schools.

Sexual themed stickers (including sexuality) have no place in schools.

Pro tolerance, pro acceptance of all people stickers I am fine with.
 
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TurtleDude said:
It depends because "pro gay" stickers might not be overtly offensive while a sticker that says "God Hates Fags" clearly is
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That is a good point that I had not really considered until you mentioned it. Unfortunately it is kinda hard to draw up objective definitions of what is overtly offensive.
 
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Redress said:
That is a good point that I had not really considered until you mentioned it. Unfortunately it is kinda hard to draw up objective definitions of what is overtly offensive.
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that is a sound point too. Gay is great doesn't bash straights

Gay is the only way might

"straight but not narrow" might be seen as bashing anti gay types -that's a popular one-even a federal magistrate I knew had that on his jacket (not in court)
 
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chromium said:
this has probably never happened in the history of ever but no, it's not acceptable
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It happens. Well, with religion and that includes christianity. A friend of my son's has a bunch of patches sewn into his backpack. One of them says "too stupid for science? try religion". Thats the only one I recall seeing because I have seen it a bunch of times, but point is they do exist.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is a sound point too. Gay is great doesn't bash straights

Gay is the only way might

"straight but not narrow" might be seen as bashing anti gay types -that's a popular one-even a federal magistrate I knew had that on his jacket (not in court)
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I give X Factor credit, it is an interesting concept for a thread. Gotta look at where the limits are. There clearly are limits to free speech in public school, but they should be as few as possible. Where do you draw that line? It is good stuff.
 
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Redress said:
I give X Factor credit, it is an interesting concept for a thread. Gotta look at where the limits are. There clearly are limits to free speech in public school, but they should be as few as possible. Where do you draw that line? It is good stuff.
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I don't know but I know that public schools have been seen as state actors and the first amendment does have at least some viability in a public school

now in a private school-not so much since its not state action. You here about girls getting written up for "dress code violations" that most people think is idiotic and other such restrictions are often upheld. one place where Public schools and free speech clash are the "anti violence" codes-a few years ago, I recall a case of a student suspended for having a picture of his green beret brother in his locker and of course the soldier was armed and that was used as a violation of the "anti violence" code

As I recall the student won that one
 
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