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Poll For Everyone But Democrats

Who would you vote to be the 2016 nominee (no VP's have been selected yet)

  • George W Bush (3rd term)

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • John McCain

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • MItt Romney

    Votes: 6 16.7%

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 14 38.9%

  • I'm quitting the party

    Votes: 12 33.3%
  • Total voters
    36
radcen said:
:lol: The implication that extreme conservatives are by-the-letter Constitutionalists is delusionally funny.
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The implication that middle of the American conservatives are "extremists" is just plain delusional, and not funny at all. I notice you completely dodged my question. ;)
 
countryboy said:
The implication that middle of the American conservatives are "extremists" is just plain delusional, and not funny at all. I notice you completely dodged my question. ;)
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I didn't dodge it, I ignored it. It was clear it wasn't leading anywhere productive other than we disagree, which we had already established. I saved myself the time of saying what we already knew.

Could you clarify what you mean by "middle of the American"? You say it like it's definitive and everybody would agree on what that means.
 
Romney, though an out of touch plutocrat, at least seemed like a decent person, even though he spent a whole career being the dude who you absolutely don't want showing up at your job telling you that his company just bought yours. if you haven't seen the documentary on him, you probably should. it shows you a different side, and humanizes him in a way that he probably should have done himself on the campaign trail. hindsight, of course, is 20/20.
 
[QUOTE. =radcen;1065604386]I didn't dodge it, I ignored it. It was clear it wasn't leading anywhere productive other than we disagree, which we had already established. I saved myself the time of saying what we already knew.

Could you clarify what you mean by "middle of the American"? You say it like it's definitive and everybody would agree on what that means.[/QUOTE]

Obviously a typo. I meant middle of the road American.

And no, you didn't ignore my question. You dodged it, because the answer is an inconvenient truth, evidently.
 
countryboy said:
Obviously a typo. I meant middle of the road American.
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I thought that's what you meant, but wanted to be clear. I'm sure even Al Sharpton thinks he's MOR. We're back to delusional.


countryboy said:
And no, you didn't ignore my question. You dodged it, because the answer is an inconvenient truth, evidently.
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If that helps get you through the night, I'm glad I could help.
 
countryboy said:
It's no secret that conservatives have not been happy with the GOP for some time now. Do you really need a poll to determine that? No offense, but "moderate" RINOs such as yourself, have been the downfall of the party. The fact that Trump is in the lead, is a direct result of supporting wishy washy RINOs. Conservatives are tired of not being represented, and being lied, and pandered to.

For the record, I do not support Trump, but I fully understand why he is winning.
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The Republican party was RINOS before the Tea Party came along and tried changing it. Reagan was a RINO. I really don't understand why, if the electorate is so mad at RINO's, they are supporting Trump, who could be a closet Democrat. That makes no sense. The truth is the electorate is mad at not only the Republican establishment, but the far right Tea Partiers and Libertarians (the so called TRUE conservatives) as well, not to mention the electorate on the other side is equally disgusted with the Democratic establishment. The truth is the Republican voting electorate is telling both the RINO's and the true conservatives to go to hell, which is not good for the true conservatives either.
 
countryboy said:
It certainly would be apropos to this unrealistic, and silly thread.
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It always puzzles me why somebody would post in a thread they thought unrealistic and silly? i-dont-know-smiley-emoticon.gif
 
Look, the republican party was in flux after Goldwater, the war and then Nixon resigning. When Reagan took the party reins Ralph Reed jumped in with his religious coalition. After that there was steady competition in the party as to who had the final say on policy. It evolved to where you just couldn't be a real conservative without also signing on to the evangelicals.

That's what's perplexing about the conservatives who are anti-Trump. He's come along at the right time and is of the right mind and the evangelicals are starting to let go of the secular reins. It's a perfect time for the party to go back to it's genuine and very real roots. THAT is what the membership wants.
 
Moderate Right said:
Who would you vote to be the 2016 Republican nominee? If you aren't Republican then please consider the last option as "other".
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I voted that I'm quitting the party. There is absolutely no one in the modern Republican party, let alone on that list, that I would vote for with anything short of a gun to my head.

There are historical Republicans I think favorably of -- even in the earlier 20th century.

I would say no Republican platform, past or present, really represents how I would prefer to do things, but that is also true of the Democrats. Within the limitations of the system as it exists, there are Republicans I think were good.

But in 2016, pretty much every visible Republican is either cartoonishly insane, or an obvious and unabashed corporate shill.
 
clownboy said:
Look, the republican party was in flux after Goldwater, the war and then Nixon resigning. When Reagan took the party reins Ralph Reed jumped in with his religious coalition. After that there was steady competition in the party as to who had the final say on policy. It evolved to where you just couldn't be a real conservative without also signing on to the evangelicals.

That's what's perplexing about the conservatives who are anti-Trump. He's come along at the right time and is of the right mind and the evangelicals are starting to let go of the secular reins. It's a perfect time for the party to go back to it's genuine and very real roots. THAT is what the membership wants.
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I'm not sure anybody is motivated that way though. One of Trump's strongest constituencies are the evangelicals--he has won among them I believe in every caucus/primary so far. This in spite of the disconnect of him saying again and again that he is a Christian but also that he has never asked forgiveness from God. That's a real puzzler to anybody who is paying attention. No matter what the Christian denomination or sect, including the Presbyterians that claim Donald, an unrepentant Christian is an oxymoron.

But the evangelicals don't care. They want somebody to get the country back on track and they see the Donald as the person who has the best ability to do that.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I'm not sure anybody is motivated that way though. One of Trump's strongest constituencies are the evangelicals--he has won among them I believe in every caucus/primary so far. This in spite of the disconnect of him saying again and again that he is a Christian but also that he has never asked forgiveness from God. That's a real puzzler to anybody who is paying attention. No matter what the Christian denomination or sect, including the Presbyterians that claim Donald, an unrepentant Christian is an oxymoron.

But the evangelicals don't care. They want somebody to get the country back on track and they see the Donald as the person who has the best ability to do that.
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But what you said confirms what I posted. Heck Jefress said it himself in an interview on FN. The evangelical republicans are now willing to allow the right secular candidate to represent them in Washington.
 
Moderate Right said:
The Republican party was RINOS before the Tea Party came along and tried changing it. Reagan was a RINO. I really don't understand why, if the electorate is so mad at RINO's, they are supporting Trump, who could be a closet Democrat. That makes no sense. The truth is the electorate is mad at not only the Republican establishment, but the far right Tea Partiers and Libertarians (the so called TRUE conservatives) as well, not to mention the electorate on the other side is equally disgusted with the Democratic establishment. The truth is the Republican voting electorate is telling both the RINO's and the true conservatives to go to hell, which is not good for the true conservatives either.
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The problem is that "RINO" means nothing. "Republican" isn't a political ideology. It's a party. The Republicans could become unabashedly liberal tomorrow and they'd still be Republican. The name of the party has nothing to do with the political ideology that it espouses. The problem is, lots of people are Republican (or Democrat) first, without ever thinking about the particular ideology that the particular party is putting forward at the moment. The modern GOP wouldn't know conservatism if it bit them.
 
Ron Paul.

He ain't perfect, but he a gazzilion times better for America (IMO) then the choices given.
 
clownboy said:
But what you said confirms what I posted. Heck Jefress said it himself in an interview on FN. The evangelical republicans are now willing to allow the right secular candidate to represent them in Washington.
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My point though is not that evangelicals are accepting secular--actually they always have; they just don't accept those who would mess with the First Amendment.
 
Moderate Right said:
Who would you vote to be the 2016 Republican nominee? If you aren't Republican then please consider the last option as "other".
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I get what you are trying to do. You are basically asking who people think would be elected in 2016 right? The obvious answer to that question is Romney. Especially since people still fetishize about Romney riding up on a white horse and cutting Trump's head off. However, McCain would have had a shot, if and only if Trump's anti-POW comment lasted more than 48 hours.

I voted for Romney four times in two elections. Basically all my voting career. No I didn't vote for McCain, in 2008, since I liked Romney better, but I would vote for him against Trump if he ran today!

As much as I admired George W Bush. I actually do not think he would be electable today, even without his war record. He would be considered a RINO. Just like Romney was, but Romney appears to have a better organization than Bush did.

If Trump becomes our nominee. I just might leave the party and join the Dems but I can't stand their base either, and there aren't many moderates on their side either. At one point, the Dem base was less tolerable to me than the Republican base. That seems to be changing.
 
It's a pretty bad list, having a former two-term President, two former defeated party nominees, and Donald Trump.

That being said, I would be desperate for a third W. term or a Romney administration. If sheer electability was out the window and governance would be key, I'd pick W.
 
I voted Trump here, and in the NV GOP Caucus, for lack of a better choice.
 
radcen said:
:lol: The implication that extreme conservatives are by-the-letter Constitutionalists is delusionally funny.
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as a constitutional conservative and an independent ,i agree the extreme right is as big of a threat to our freedoms as the extreme left is.
i am with old BEN FRANKLIN on this one ,i will not give up any CONSTITUTIONAL right for safety .

run don run
 
Crusdr57 said:
I voted Trump here, and in the NV GOP Caucus, for lack of a better choice.
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it should be your choice,like him or not nobody owns TRUMP,that is my bottom line ,cruz and kasich are bought and paid for for sure.

run don run
 
radcen said:
:lol: The implication that extreme conservatives are by-the-letter Constitutionalists is delusionally funny.
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I find the right wing's claim over the constitution to be inherently amusing.
 
George W Bush (3rd term)
John McCain
MItt Romney
Donald Trump
I'm quitting the party

Where are Kasich and Cruz? Why? It is a theoretical question, so the poll should be open to everyone will all choices. Why do you preselect for those who aren't decleared Republican?
From the 4 candidates, I would actually have to choose G.W. Mc, Romney or Trump are absolutely not an option.
Kasich, had you included him, would be someone I could live with on the R side.
Ideally, non of the above. Sanders is still the man for me.
 
Since we are voting the impossible, I want Abraham Lincoln as my 2016 Republican nominee...
I am nonpartisan though to be fair.
 
Ntharotep said:
Since we are voting the impossible, I want Abraham Lincoln as my 2016 Republican nominee...
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And why, Sir/M'am, do you wish an honest candidate to run for office? :)
 
There's not a single constitutional conservative or libertarian on the list. Might as well have put Nixon and Teddy Roosevelt on that list...

I'll take Reagan, Lincoln or Coolidge.
 
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