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Is it more likely we face a dystopian or Utopian future? Please Explain?

Is it more likely we face a dystoian or utopian future?

  • Utopian. There is hope!

    Votes: 4 26.7%

  • Dystopian. We are screwed!

    Votes: 9 60.0%

  • Equal Chance for either because...

    Votes: 2 13.3%

  • I have no idea or really don't care...

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Total voters
    15
Ntharotep

Ntharotep

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Realizing that one man/woman's utopia might be another's dystopia (thus the request to explain)...

Which is more likely and why?
 
Ntharotep said:
Realizing that one man/woman's utopia might be another's dystopia (thus the request to explain)...

Which is more likely and why?
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"Utopian", btw, is the wrong word - a better future, yes, but never "utopian", not this side of Heaven.

But why do I have hope? We had a lot less hope back during the Cold War than we do now...yet we made it. And if you'll think about it, since the end of the Cold War - and even including the Rwandan genocide and our wars - the world as a whole has been relatively less violent than in any other such length of time in recorded human history. Humanity has it better now than we ever have.

That doesn't mean that we don't face threats to human civilization - we certainly do, from geologic or astronomic sources, or (to a thankfully lesser extent than before) nuclear war, or (the most urgent threat) anthropogenic global warming. But if we can get past the Right's political insanity and xenophobia, we can address most of those threats, if not all.

That's why I'm looking forward to this next election - assuming it's Hillary vs. Trump, Trump will get thumped, big time...and the Right will hopefully wake up and realize that the idiots in charge of the far-right crazy train are far fewer in number than the moderates, the independents, and the Left...and that the far right is NOT representative of the American people as a whole.
 
Ntharotep said:
Realizing that one man/woman's utopia might be another's dystopia (thus the request to explain)...

Which is more likely and why?
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I think we as species are sure to have both. It is only a question of which point on the time line one looks at.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
"Utopian", btw, is the wrong word - a better future, yes, but never "utopian", not this side of Heaven.

But why do I have hope? We had a lot less hope back during the Cold War than we do now...yet we made it. And if you'll think about it, since the end of the Cold War - and even including the Rwandan genocide and our wars - the world as a whole has been relatively less violent than in any other such length of time in recorded human history. Humanity has it better now than we ever have.

That doesn't mean that we don't face threats to human civilization - we certainly do, from geologic or astronomic sources, or (to a thankfully lesser extent than before) nuclear war, or (the most urgent threat) anthropogenic global warming. But if we can get past the Right's political insanity and xenophobia, we can address most of those threats, if not all.

That's why I'm looking forward to this next election - assuming it's Hillary vs. Trump, Trump will get thumped, big time...and the Right will hopefully wake up and realize that the idiots in charge of the far-right crazy train are far fewer in number than the moderates, the independents, and the Left...and that the far right is NOT representative of the American people as a whole.
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It wouldn't surprise me, if Trump had the goods on ms clinton.
 
joG said:
It wouldn't surprise me, if Trump had the goods on ms clinton.
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Ah. So Trump "has the goods" on Hillary? And he's just keeping them secret until he's president?

Is this the same as when Trump's investigators (like Arizona Sheriff Arpaio's investigators) "had the goods" on Obama's birth certificate?

Exactly how big do Trump's lies have to get before you get a clue that maybe, just maybe electing him would be a Very Bad Idea?
 
We are already living in the dystopian future. There is still some hope that we can turn things around, but the current state of the world and the current socioeconomic trends are both towards more oppression.

Cyberpunk science fiction stopped being popular because it all came true.
 
In order to exist, a thing must be defined, and a thing is limited by its definition.

The resources of the universe are limited, therefore the future can only be dystopian.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Ah. So Trump "has the goods" on Hillary? And he's just keeping them secret until he's president?

Is this the same as when Trump's investigators (like Arizona Sheriff Arpaio's investigators) "had the goods" on Obama's birth certificate?

Exactly how big do Trump's lies have to get before you get a clue that maybe, just maybe electing him would be a Very Bad Idea?
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When would you use devastating material on the opposition? When the candidate can still be replaced? You are funing me.

PS: Anyone tells you that the birth-certificate thing and the purported sleaze of the Clintons is the same thing, you know to whom you are talking.
 
No future state is static.
 
joG said:
When would you use devastating material on the opposition? When the candidate can still be replaced? You are funing me.

PS: Anyone tells you that the birth-certificate thing and the purported sleaze of the Clintons is the same thing, you know to whom you are talking.
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If Trump truly had anything as important as he claims, he would already have published it for all the world to see. But he doesn't, just like he didn't concerning Obama's birth certificate, no matter what he claimed at the time.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
If Trump truly had anything as important as he claims, he would already have published it for all the world to see. But he doesn't, just like he didn't concerning Obama's birth certificate, no matter what he claimed at the time.
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Why would he have published it before its point of maximum damage to the enemy? It would not much help him now, but could clinch the election in a couple of months.
 
We can't actually have a completely utopian future, but it IS possible that more people in the world could consider their situation to be more utopian than dystopian.

Of course, when leaders abuse their power and people are complacent, there's always a dystopia in the cards.
 
joG said:
Why would he have published it before its point of maximum damage to the enemy? It would not much help him now, but could clinch the election in a couple of months.
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Trump doesn't know the meaning of the word 'patience', just as he doesn't understand the importance of humility. Look at every outrageous thing he says - he says them because that's what he thinks of at that particular moment...he's Impulsive with a capital 'I'. What's happening is that whenever he thinks of something that sounds light it ought to be true (regardless of whether there's any factual basis), then he says it as if it's fact...because he honestly believes that it must be fact, and if he doesn't have evidence at hand, then to him, it's not a matter of whether or not he's right, but only a matter of finding the proof that he just knows must be there.
 
I'm going to say our future will suck. Simply based on the fact that we have too many humans and not enough resources to exploit for economic gain to give enough people permanent employment and security/stability. That's only going to increase the amount of world conflict and violence.
 
akrunner88 said:
I'm going to say our future will suck. Simply based on the fact that we have too many humans and not enough resources to exploit for economic gain to give enough people permanent employment and security/stability. That's only going to increase the amount of world conflict and violence.
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Unless some of the population dies off...
 
akrunner88 said:
I'm going to say our future will suck. Simply based on the fact that we have too many humans and not enough resources to exploit for economic gain to give enough people permanent employment and security/stability. That's only going to increase the amount of world conflict and violence.
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We have plenty of resources for every human being living on the planet or even twice or three times as many. What we don't have is proper economic systems.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
We have plenty of resources for every human being living on the planet or even twice or three times as many. What we don't have is proper economic systems.
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What we don't have is efficiency either. And I doubt we'll achieve either one. Japan is a good model for population density efficiency in how they structured their cities upwards.
 
Based on current trends, the future looks like a cross between Idiocracy and Demolition Man: dumb milquetoast sensitive souls, unable to do for themselves and hating anyone who can.
 
None of the above. Things will continue pretty much as they have been so far, neither dystopian nor utopian. Both are ludicrous concepts.
 
Ntharotep said:
Realizing that one man/woman's utopia might be another's dystopia (thus the request to explain)...

Which is more likely and why?
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Both. Things have to get dystopically bad before they get better.

Has always been that way. ;)
 
Utopian is a myth, like unicorns and chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
 
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