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Do we have any moral high ground over ISIS?

Are we hypocrites for attacking ISIS while we also mistreat women and minorities?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 42.9%

  • No

    Votes: 12 57.1%
  • Total voters
    21
Abimael Guzman said:
I am not defending ISIS in any way, shape, or form. They are terrible people, and the obvious result of extreme reactionary thinking. All I'm asking is whether the US has any right whatsoever to criticize ISIS, when it is so similar in practice.

Lots of American propaganda calls ISIS out for having sex slaves, abusing women and participating in rape. But how is that better than our own rape culture at home? 1 in 5 women will be raped on an American college campus. Controversial 1-in-5 sexual assault statistic validated in new national survey | USA TODAY College https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...c80be2-5e29-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html . And employers in the US pay a woman only 75 cents to a man's dollar for the same exact work. Pay equity information Shouldn't we start treating our own women better before telling ISIS to do the same?

Much fuss has been made over ISIS beheadings and public executions. But how is that better than our own death penalty here in the USA, which allows the right wing to brutally torture and kill people they deem unworthy of life? And how is a public beheading of an innocent journalist different from a white policeman shooting a handcuffed, unarmed african american, and being hailed as a HERO by the right wing for it?

Furthermore, we criticize ISIS for attacking other countries and trying to take their land. But how is this different from us invading Iraq and Afghanistan for their oil?

And just a quick note about terrorism, you are far more likely to die from Christian terrorism than from Islamic terrorism. Christian terrorism is a bigger threat to U.S. freedom than Islamic extremism If you meet a muslim in the street alongside a christian, the christian is TWICE as likely to kill you in an act of violence.

Simply put, can anybody tell me why we shouldn't clean our own house up before trying to bomb an organization thousands of miles away who are doing no worse than what we are doing right now?
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No. This is the most insane kind of relativism that you can produce.
 
ISIS are unspeakably barbaric. I thank the US, UK, France, Australia and all other civilised countries who are combating them. Not least of ISIS crimes is treating captured women as sex slaves and murdering them if they attempt to escape.

I am disgusted by the OP. Revolting.
 
Abimael Guzman said:
I am not defending ISIS in any way, shape, or form. They are terrible people, and the obvious result of extreme reactionary thinking. All I'm asking is whether the US has any right whatsoever to criticize ISIS, when it is so similar in practice.

Lots of American propaganda calls ISIS out for having sex slaves, abusing women and participating in rape. But how is that better than our own rape culture at home? 1 in 5 women will be raped on an American college campus. Controversial 1-in-5 sexual assault statistic validated in new national survey | USA TODAY College https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...c80be2-5e29-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html . And employers in the US pay a woman only 75 cents to a man's dollar for the same exact work. Pay equity information Shouldn't we start treating our own women better before telling ISIS to do the same?

Much fuss has been made over ISIS beheadings and public executions. But how is that better than our own death penalty here in the USA, which allows the right wing to brutally torture and kill people they deem unworthy of life? And how is a public beheading of an innocent journalist different from a white policeman shooting a handcuffed, unarmed african american, and being hailed as a HERO by the right wing for it?

Furthermore, we criticize ISIS for attacking other countries and trying to take their land. But how is this different from us invading Iraq and Afghanistan for their oil?

And just a quick note about terrorism, you are far more likely to die from Christian terrorism than from Islamic terrorism. Christian terrorism is a bigger threat to U.S. freedom than Islamic extremism If you meet a muslim in the street alongside a christian, the christian is TWICE as likely to kill you in an act of violence.

Simply put, can anybody tell me why we shouldn't clean our own house up before trying to bomb an organization thousands of miles away who are doing no worse than what we are doing right now?
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America doesn't behead their enemies, tie them to trucks and drag them across town alive, drown people alive, burn people alive, throw gays off buildings, rape and kill little children, and the list goes on.

Yea, we're definitely responsible to varying levels of degree of wrong doing and lack of foresight across the world, as most major economic players are. But we most definitely have the moral high ground over ISIS.
 
Oh look, more liberal stupidity on clear display. You be sure to let us know when the U.S. is throwing gays off buildings, hacking the heads off "heretics" and whipping people in the streets.

This is just moronic, but what can you expect from the left?
 
Cephus said:
Oh look, more liberal stupidity on clear display. You be sure to let us know when the U.S. is throwing gays off buildings, hacking the heads off "heretics" and whipping people in the streets.

This is just moronic, but what can you expect from the left?
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I haven't seen one other leftist on this post yet support the OP. In fact I flat out reject his assertions.
 
The thread is not open to the public. I don't trust a 7 - 5 ratio in the slightest.
 
Abimael Guzman said:
I am not defending ISIS in any way, shape, or form. They are terrible people, and the obvious result of extreme reactionary thinking. All I'm asking is whether the US has any right whatsoever to criticize ISIS, when it is so similar in practice.

Lots of American propaganda calls ISIS out for having sex slaves, abusing women and participating in rape. But how is that better than our own rape culture at home? 1 in 5 women will be raped on an American college campus. Controversial 1-in-5 sexual assault statistic validated in new national survey | USA TODAY College https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...c80be2-5e29-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html . And employers in the US pay a woman only 75 cents to a man's dollar for the same exact work. Pay equity information Shouldn't we start treating our own women better before telling ISIS to do the same?

Much fuss has been made over ISIS beheadings and public executions. But how is that better than our own death penalty here in the USA, which allows the right wing to brutally torture and kill people they deem unworthy of life? And how is a public beheading of an innocent journalist different from a white policeman shooting a handcuffed, unarmed african american, and being hailed as a HERO by the right wing for it?

Furthermore, we criticize ISIS for attacking other countries and trying to take their land. But how is this different from us invading Iraq and Afghanistan for their oil?

And just a quick note about terrorism, you are far more likely to die from Christian terrorism than from Islamic terrorism. Christian terrorism is a bigger threat to U.S. freedom than Islamic extremism If you meet a muslim in the street alongside a christian, the christian is TWICE as likely to kill you in an act of violence.

Simply put, can anybody tell me why we shouldn't clean our own house up before trying to bomb an organization thousands of miles away who are doing no worse than what we are doing right now?
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Comparing the "right wing" to ISIS makes anything that you have to say a ****ing joke...
 
Abimael Guzman said:
I could ask the same about women in fundamentalist mormon or baptist societies here in the good ol' USA
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Since you hate the USA... move, but I doubt you are an American anyway... probably ISIS in their campaign to distort things.
 
****, I voted yes.

Meant to vote NO.

The moral high ground is putting it lightly, we're basically floating suborbital over the likes of ISIS.
 
Van Basten said:
****, I voted yes.

Meant to vote NO.

The moral high ground is putting it lightly, we're basically floating suborbital over the likes of ISIS.
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On pink clouds made of cotton candy...
 
Our moral high ground is, as a society, we are trying to improve. We have by leaps and bounds in the last 100 years.
ISIS does not want to improve or to even consider discontinuing the mistreatment of women that is not only demeaning but straight out human rights violations.
In our own society, those who think lowly of women are more and more condemned. In the ISIS regime it is a time honored tradition and, in point of fact, an honor to hold on to the most archaic and disgusting beliefs of women.
This is a serious oranges and apples comparison.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Since you hate the USA... move, but I doubt you are an American anyway...
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yeah i notice he uses "WE" - "Do we have any moral high ground over ISIS?"

but i think what he means is "YOU" as in "You durty americans"
 
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