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Which is it? Racism and segregation, or overdue attention to this group's needs?

Which is it? Racism and segregation, or overdue attention to this group's needs?


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After you read the article partially quoted below and in its entirety at the linked web page, I have a simple question (for anything but a simple subject) - Are the actions of UConn and other universities as well as the demands of certain students leading to these actions, an action that is racist and segregationist, or is this simply giving overdue attention to this group's needs?
For Black Men


Inside Higher Ed


February 2, 2016

By: Jake New

The University of Connecticut announced last week that it is creating a living-learning community for African-American male students, drawing praise from researchers concerned with the low graduation rates of -- and racism against -- black men on college campuses, and criticism from those who view the plan as racial and gender segregation.

Freshmen and sophomores will begin living in the Scholastic House of Leaders who are African-American Researchers and Scholars -- or ScHOLA2RS House -- this fall. While male students of any race may apply to the program, it is designed to “support the scholastic efforts of male students who identify as African-American,” the university's description of the program says.

UConn's announcement of the new house comes at a time of heightened debate about race on campus, in the wake of protests at colleges nationwide in the fall. While many colleges over the years have had living spaces that were described primarily for those interested in African-American, Latino or Asian culture, and that have housed primarily or entirely groups of people who are black, Latino or Asian, those colleges have generally stressed that the key factor was the shared interest in a culture, not identity as a member of a group.

The UConn announcement, however, follows student protests that have demanded ethnic-based housing, citing hostile environments they face on campus. And UConn is not alone. Last month, the University of Iowa announced a similar living-learning community, and Princeton University has created several “affinity rooms” in its Fields Center for Equality and Cultural Understanding, in which students of various races and ethnicities can gather.

“It’s a learning community based on bringing African-American males into a setting where not only will they be with like-minded students, but a setting that is focused on graduate school and professional school,” Erik Hines, the UConn program’s faculty director and an assistant professor at the university’s department of education psychology, said. “All students at the University of Connecticut are bright, exceptional and smart. These students come in here with that same potential with the ability to be successful, but there are also these transition issues.”

Researchers have found that black students face a number of barriers to finding college success on predominantly white campuses. They struggle with underrepresentation, social isolation, academic hurdles and racial stereotyping from both their peers and their professors.

African-American students report feeling less mentally prepared than white students do but are less likely to seek help for mental health concerns, according to a study released last month by the Jed Foundation, an organization that works with colleges to prevent campus suicides, and the Steve Fund, a new group dedicated to studying and improving the mental health of students of color.

At Connecticut, the six-year graduation rate for African-American male students is about 54 percent, while the rate of white male students is 80 percent.

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Read the rest of the article here: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/02/02/u-connecticut-creates-new-living-learning-center-black-male-students
 
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The history books will not be too kind to the US (and wherever else) when they write about the US appealing to segregation and racism, as a means to address prejudices.
 
This group doesn't have "needs", they have wants and desires. What they really need is to get the hell over themselves.
 
Why do people feel the need to look at absolutely everything in racial terms? I'm way past being sick and tired of it. Race is one freaking factor in our lives and it's definitely not the most important factor. People just need to stop making it the center of their world view.
 
It’s my view that this is just another ridiculous decision/action by the higher education elite. I wonder if they have a course covering common sense at the University of Connecticut (for the school’s administration). It certainly seems like the easy way out for them. Placate the aggrieved, and make changes using studies to defend themselves against criticism. My opinion is that this action is likely the absolute worst thing they could do causing a further racial divide between the students at a most critical time in this country. This may be the first opportunity for some of these young people to have significant interaction with each other. Let these kids live and learn together. Desegregation is the only way we as a society will move forward in the war against prejudice and racism.
 
After you read the article partially quoted below and in its entirety at the linked web page, I have a simple question (for anything but a simple subject) - Are the actions of UConn and other universities as well as the demands of certain students leading to these actions, an action that is racist and segregationist, or is this simply giving overdue attention to this group's needs?
Read the rest of the article here: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/02/02/u-connecticut-creates-new-living-learning-center-black-male-students

We have gone off on a wrong trajectory, it seems increasingly. Our approach to civil rights seemed fine, felt right back then. But it was not good.
 
Agreed. I'm not sure what you mean by that?

The results of our efforts were not, what we wanted. They probably were fundamentally flawed and must be revisited and appropriately revised. .
 
Are you telling me that you don't think it affects someone's ability to make the most of their college experience when everyone thinks they're a drug dealer and assumes they must only be there because of athletics, rather than brains, because of their race?

The comparison to the Women in Math, Science, and Engineering living-learning community is valid. And I totally understand why that exists, as a woman who was told by male teachers that girls are bad at math when I was in school. There's a need for it.

Humans are social creatures. There is no getting around that. When people are told persistently that they will fail or that they are lesser since childhood, that affects their performance in real and scientifically proven ways. No one on earth is immune to that. You're not either.

Is this the best way to deal with this? I don't know. But acting as though there problems somehow aren't real is just ignorant.
 
Are you telling me that you don't think it affects someone's ability to make the most of their college experience when everyone thinks they're a drug dealer and assumes they must only be there because of athletics, rather than brains, because of their race?

The comparison to the Women in Math, Science, and Engineering living-learning community is valid. And I totally understand why that exists, as a woman who was told by male teachers that girls are bad at math when I was in school. There's a need for it.

Humans are social creatures. There is no getting around that. When people are told persistently that they will fail or that they are lesser since childhood, that affects their performance in real and scientifically proven ways. No one on earth is immune to that. You're not either.

Is this the best way to deal with this? I don't know. But acting as though there problems somehow aren't real is just ignorant.

Who were you speaking to here? The board as a whole? Me as the OP? Someone else in this thread?
 
Who were you speaking to here? The board as a whole? Me as the OP? Someone else in this thread?

I suppose, broadly, the several posters upthread who are basically saying they're just crybabies.
 
We have gone off on a wrong trajectory, it seems increasingly. Our approach to civil rights seemed fine, felt right back then. But it was not good.

The problem is, there's a difference between "feeling right" and being the most effective, beneficial and ultimately successful approach. People are way too worried about something making them feel good in the short term when they ought to be concerned about actually solving the problem in the long term.
 
There are certainly many (sub?)groups of students that may "feel better" if they only had to associate with like (minded?) folks. Once you pander to one such special group then you must (out of fairness?) do so for all (bisexual Asian music majors?). After (properly?) carving up the student body, according to any (and all?) manner of self identified desires, such that each (sub?)group is apt to experience the absolute minimum number of micro-aggressions from interacting with unlike folks, then the "diversity", which used to be touted as being so important, is all but gone.
 
Are you telling me that you don't think it affects someone's ability to make the most of their college experience when everyone thinks they're a drug dealer and assumes they must only be there because of athletics, rather than brains, because of their race?

The comparison to the Women in Math, Science, and Engineering living-learning community is valid. And I totally understand why that exists, as a woman who was told by male teachers that girls are bad at math when I was in school. There's a need for it.

Humans are social creatures. There is no getting around that. When people are told persistently that they will fail or that they are lesser since childhood, that affects their performance in real and scientifically proven ways. No one on earth is immune to that. You're not either.

Is this the best way to deal with this? I don't know. But acting as though there problems somehow aren't real is just ignorant.

Perhaps diplomas issued to blacks who stay segregated should include an asterisk. They want the degree from Harvard, Yale, etc., instead of going to an all black school, because there is value in the traditional degree but they don't want to participate in the larger campus milieu. It won't be the same. They should not be given full credit.

Besides which, if I ever do meet a college student of any color who doesn't belly ache about how hard and unfair and yada yada it all is I'll nominate that person for the Nobel Prize and buy him or her a $20 Macanudo cigar.
 
I suspect that I would be highly insulted if I were black and people kept telling me I wasn't good enough to integrate fully into society. Wouldn't matter if it were some racist schmuck or some well-meaning intellectual. The message is still the same.
 
After you read the article partially quoted below and in its entirety at the linked web page, I have a simple question (for anything but a simple subject) - Are the actions of UConn and other universities as well as the demands of certain students leading to these actions, an action that is racist and segregationist, or is this simply giving overdue attention to this group's needs?
Read the rest of the article here: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/02/02/u-connecticut-creates-new-living-learning-center-black-male-students

Probably not going to help.
I seem to remember reading research that the more often you interact with people of differing cultures and races, the more likely you're to view them as individuals rather than groups.
Seems that this self selective segregation is only going to make them seem more like outsiders than insiders.

It doesn't seem to help form a community.
Considering that a lot of these places (no not all) exist in areas and many of the Whites, come from areas with low levels of diverity, it shouldn't be surprising that they view them (Blacks) as stereotyped groups.
Problem is that exposure helps correct poor views.
 
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Isn't re-segregation just repudiating all the gains made by integration in the last 70-ish years?

Yes it does and yes it's moronic, imo.
The South was forcibly desegregated and even though many of our metro areas are still (de facto not de jure) segregated, I have a sense that our high population of minorities and constant exposure to each other, is actually improving race relations here faster and better than other places.
 
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