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Should ruth bader ginsburg resign

Should ruth bader ginsburg resign

  • yes

    Votes: 5 19.2%
  • no

    Votes: 21 80.8%

  • Total voters
    26
Quite telling you'd like the only black justice to resign.

He's a bad justice, that's all. He doesn't do anything at argument to probe the attorneys' points and his opinions are on average the most sparse on reasoning I've ever seen. Bare-bones regressive "originalism."

He's no Thurgood.




Why did you decide to focus on his race, instead?
 
He's a bad justice, that's all. He doesn't do anything at argument to probe the attorneys' points and his opinions are on average the most sparse on reasoning I've ever seen. Bare-bones regressive "originalism."

He's no Thurgood.




Why did you decide to focus on his race, instead?

I agree. Could care less about his race. Could even care less if he is conservative, because at least Scalia puts in some effort into his decision making, though I detest it much of the time.
 
That people consider partisan bent of a Supreme Court justice speaks volumes as to everything that is wrong with the court system.

The court isn't overly partisan despite what people think The NY Times analyzed the justices voting records based on whether their voted aligned with a "liberal" or "conservative" view on the subject. Even the most liberal justices - Sotomayer and Kagan - voted "liberal" only 70% of the time. The most conservative members of the court - based on voting record - were Alito and Thomas - and even they tended to vote "liberal" 40% of the time. In other words based on their voting records the justices are alot closer to the middle than many people believe.
 
He's a bad justice, that's all. He doesn't do anything at argument to probe the attorneys' points and his opinions are on average the most sparse on reasoning I've ever seen. Bare-bones regressive "originalism."

He's no Thurgood.




Why did you decide to focus on his race, instead?

He's actually a far better Justice than TM who believed the constitution was whatever he felt like it was. CT is one of the few justices who actually sticks with what the document says
 
He's actually a far better Justice than TM who believed the constitution was whatever he felt like it was. CT is one of the few justices who actually sticks with what the document says

The constitution is deliberately broad and vague; judicial review of laws for constitutionality was intended and understood by the founders.



Originalism is a lie, and all self-proclaimed originalists know it. It's just their way of pretending they aren't saying that the constitution is whatever they feel it is. (And they're relying on their supporters, typically without any legal training, to blindly claim that they are just sticking to the constitution). No matter what they claim, both types of justice attempt to apply old concepts to modern things that the founders had no intent about because they couldn't possibly imagine them.

They can't simply stick to what it says because it says precisely nothing about the vast majority of modern questions now before the Court.





How does a justice who you claim "sticks with what the document says" determine whether using an infared scanner on a home to detect the heat inside it is a "search" of the inside? The constitution has the word "search" but it sure doesn't say anything about infared scanners, nor does it list whether looking for "heat" as opposed to "objects" is a search, nor does it distinguish between within the home or emanating from the home. No matter how a justice goes about answering the question of whether infared scanning = searching, they are making the answer up.

What, are Hamilton and Madison going to pop out of the grave and tell them that they're wrong? Of course not. They're dead. So the "originalist" can claim without refutation that they are sticking to "original intent."




A self-proclaimed originalist is making it up as he goes along in that answer, just as a non-originalist is. At least the non-originalist isn't lying about what they're doing.
 
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The constitution is deliberately broad and vague; judicial review of laws for constitutionality was intended and understood by the founders.



Originalism is a lie, and all self-proclaimed originalists know it. It's just their way of pretending they aren't saying that the constitution is whatever they feel it is. (And they're relying on their supporters, typically without any legal training, to blindly claim that they are just sticking to the constitution). No matter what they claim, both types of justice attempt to apply old concepts to modern things that the founders had no intent about because they couldn't possibly imagine them.

They can't simply stick to what it says because it says precisely nothing about the vast majority of modern questions now before the Court.





How does a justice who you claim "sticks with what the document says" determine whether using an infared scanner on a home to detect the heat inside it is a "search" of the inside? The constitution has the word "search" but it sure doesn't say anything about infared scanners, nor does it list whether looking for "heat" as opposed to "objects" is a search, nor does it distinguish between within the home or emanating from the home. No matter how a justice goes about answering the question of whether infared scanning = searching, they are making the answer up.

What, are Hamilton and Madison going to pop out of the grave and tell them that they're wrong? Of course not. They're dead. So the "originalist" can claim without refutation that they are sticking to "original intent."




A self-proclaimed originalist is making it up as he goes along in that answer, just as a non-originalist is. At least the non-originalist isn't lying about what they're doing.

credible proof required for this assertion
 
No.

I'd prefer to have Obama appoint someone than a Republican do it, but the bottom line for me is that they should only resign from SCOTUS when they become impaired in doing the job, whether due to age or because they just really don't want to anymore (ie, Souter....who wanted to go back to NH. He still sits on panels in the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals).

Exception: Thomas can resign any time he pleases, and the sooner the better.

If you asked all the Justice's whom they respect the most, Justice Thomas' name would probably come up the most.

He's a bad justice, that's all. He doesn't do anything at argument to probe the attorneys' points and his opinions are on average the most sparse on reasoning I've ever seen. Bare-bones regressive "originalism."

He's no Thurgood.

Why did you decide to focus on his race, instead?

Funny you mention Marshall. Justices' like Marshall, Brennan, and Blackmun rarely asked questions during oral arguments.

Sparse on reasoning? William O Douglas was famous for his sparse and direct reasoning. It is annoying to read grandstanding/arrogant opinions which clearly are written in a way to boast ones owns ego.

These attacks against Justice Thomas are unwarranted and borderline racist. Attacking someone for being an introverted deep thinker? Baseless.

Would you attack Stephen Breyer, who usually draws stick figures during oral arguments?
 
He's actually a far better Justice than TM who believed the constitution was whatever he felt like it was. CT is one of the few justices who actually sticks with what the document says

They are attacking Clarence because he is not one of "them." He doesn't espouse the liberal mantra that blacks should be treated differently from whites.
 
These attacks against Justice Thomas are unwarranted and borderline racist.

If you're going to make personal attacks and play the race card instead of responding to my points about originalism, you haven't said anything worth listening to....
 
That people consider partisan bent of a Supreme Court justice speaks volumes as to everything that is wrong with the court system.

The court packing scheme that FDR tried to pull off should have disabuse anyone that SCOTUS appointments are anything but a-political.
 
If you're going to make personal attacks and play the race card instead of responding to my points about originalism, you haven't said anything worth listening to....

You can make the same case against Alito but you didn't. Curious how you target the only black man on the Supreme Court.
 
Now I see the Court as quite often non partisan, even as some use a philosophy you may or may not like. I can see where a Justice has a certain POV- like stasis, literalist, or living, but what the politicians demand is a litmus test opinion of issue that could be before the court- abortion, equal rights and federal jurisdiction.

That sort of partisanship is bad, shouldn't be allowed, but on the whole I see the Court as fairly even handed as Chief Justice Roberts showed in his votes on the ACA. He was a BushII appointee and was expected to toe the SoCon partisan platform- obviously he didn't.

I believe the Court has credibility, even if I feel the 'Citizens' decision was waaaay off the mark.... it wasn't partisan, it was flawed philosophy... :peace

Justice Roberts' decision will go down as one of the worst decision by the SCOTUS ever made. Realize that the ACA was argued under two different premises. One was that the federal government has the full authority to implement it and the other was that it was a tax. It was shot down under the first premise and passed under the latter. This sets up the dynamic that the federal government can pass any law they want and force compliance to it by making a penalty (see tax) to force compliance. So say, abortion is now taxed to the sum of $50K. I mean, hey, we aren't making abortion illegal, we are just taxing it.
 
If you're going to make personal attacks and play the race card instead of responding to my points about originalism, you haven't said anything worth listening to....

Understand that this may be a faux point to highlight exactly how these situations are looked at by the left. Say the only black SCOTUS member was a Democrat appointee and then conservatives attacked him/her for their rulings. The first thing brought up would be race.

I don't think you were being racist but I do see the "turnabout's fair play" aspect of bringing it up.
 
He's a bad justice, that's all. He doesn't do anything at argument to probe the attorneys' points and his opinions are on average the most sparse on reasoning I've ever seen. Bare-bones regressive "originalism."

He's no Thurgood.




Why did you decide to focus on his race, instead?

And you know this from hearsay, that's all. You didn't sit in court and listen.
 
Justice Roberts' decision will go down as one of the worst decision by the SCOTUS ever made. Realize that the ACA was argued under two different premises. One was that the federal government has the full authority to implement it and the other was that it was a tax. It was shot down under the first premise and passed under the latter. This sets up the dynamic that the federal government can pass any law they want and force compliance to it by making a penalty (see tax) to force compliance. So say, abortion is now taxed to the sum of $50K. I mean, hey, we aren't making abortion illegal, we are just taxing it.

First, more than Chief Justice Roberts decided this. Second the Congress passed this rather complex law, they have the power to tax, and for all the PUBs made theater over 'killing' it, it still is the law, none have the power to end it.

Now while it is possible for 'the federal government' to tax most anything (cigarettes come to mind), what must happen is BOTH houses vote to tax abortion, the President either signs that bill or vetoes it and the Senate has to over ride that veto. Takes a bit of doing, and don't think the SoCons haven't considered that concept, they don't have the power at the Federal level so they are attacking it in their stronghold states with red tape (that they claim to hate when it comes to businesses)

So taking the cigarette precedent into consideration, I'd say the horse you see, I see has left the stable years ago... :peace
 
First, more than Chief Justice Roberts decided this. Second the Congress passed this rather complex law, they have the power to tax, and for all the PUBs made theater over 'killing' it, it still is the law, none have the power to end it.

Now while it is possible for 'the federal government' to tax most anything (cigarettes come to mind), what must happen is BOTH houses vote to tax abortion, the President either signs that bill or vetoes it and the Senate has to over ride that veto. Takes a bit of doing, and don't think the SoCons haven't considered that concept, they don't have the power at the Federal level so they are attacking it in their stronghold states with red tape (that they claim to hate when it comes to businesses)

So taking the cigarette precedent into consideration, I'd say the horse you see, I see has left the stable years ago... :peace

Republicans aren't that far off from being able to do that. They aren't far from a filibuster proof Senate and you only need a simple majority in the house. Who knows what will result in the next election? After 8 years of a party in the White House, people get fatigued whether a good job was done or a terrible one. Now, grant it, I don't think Republicans could get everyone to vote for such a thing. It was a just an example of what was made possible. It could take any number of forms. I'm not sure the cigarette falls into the same category as the federal government outright bans many substances (I believe this also is not constitutional otherwise why would an amendment be needed to make alcohol illegal and then another one to repeal that to make it legal again?).
 
I voted no. Obama would probably want to appoint a muslim to the supreme court.
 
Republicans aren't that far off from being able to do that. They aren't far from a filibuster proof Senate and you only need a simple majority in the house. Who knows what will result in the next election? After 8 years of a party in the White House, people get fatigued whether a good job was done or a terrible one. Now, grant it, I don't think Republicans could get everyone to vote for such a thing. It was a just an example of what was made possible. It could take any number of forms. I'm not sure the cigarette falls into the same category as the federal government outright bans many substances (I believe this also is not constitutional otherwise why would an amendment be needed to make alcohol illegal and then another one to repeal that to make it legal again?).

Cigarettes falls in the EXACT same category- the government placed a heavy tax on something that is legal to limit it's availability. The ACA tax issue isn't a precedent. Abortion COULD be taxed, but not likely. IIRC both houses must vote 2/3rds to overturn a veto. I'm not going to lose any sleep over that highly improbable SoCon move. (they struggle to attack Planned Parenthood, resorting to using illegal videos to end funding)

Prohibition was done at the Constitutional level because it was so popular across the nation and no one wanted to vote on a law to ban it. (Do note many drugs are banned without a Constitutional amendment)

But like I said, the ACA decision didn't open any barn door. The 'sin tax' on cigarettes did.... :peace
 
I voted no. Obama would probably want to appoint a muslim to the supreme court.
What if he did?

"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

- US constitution.
 
The constitution is deliberately broad and vague; judicial review of laws for constitutionality was intended and understood by the founders.

Originalism is a lie, and all self-proclaimed originalists know it. It's just their way of pretending they aren't saying that the constitution is whatever they feel it is. (And they're relying on their supporters, typically without any legal training, to blindly claim that they are just sticking to the constitution). No matter what they claim, both types of justice attempt to apply old concepts to modern things that the founders had no intent about because they couldn't possibly imagine them.

A self-proclaimed originalist is making it up as he goes along in that answer, just as a non-originalist is. At least the non-originalist isn't lying about what they're doing.

Matchlight a tremendous poster here made a brilliant post about Thomas:

Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses. Your calling him a boob, like your calling his argument that the Establishment Clause was a federalism provision the states meant to protect their own religious establishments a "lunatic notion," says far more about you than about him.

I doubt you have even read Thomas' arguments in Elk Grove Unified. They are fairly complex and difficult, as his arguments often are, so you might not understand them even if you had studied them. Your assertion that there is no precedent for what Thomas was arguing is just plain false.

In his concurrence in Zelman v. Simmons-Harris two years before Elk Grove Unified, Thomas had also argued that the Establishment Clause was a federalism provision and doubted the logic of incorporating it. Professor Amar of Yale, an eminent constitutional law scholar, took this same view that the Establishment Clause made clear that Congress could not interfere with state establishments in his 1998 book "The Bill of Rights," see pp. 36-39. Before that, Justice Rehnquist had taken a similar view in his dissent in Wallace v. Jaffree in 1985.

In 1963, Justice Stewart had made the very same point in his dissent in School Dist. of Abington Township v. Schempp: "[T]he Establishment Clause was primarily an attempt to insure that Congress not only would be powerless to establish a national church, but would also be unable to interfere with existing state establishments" (emphasis added; six states had official religions at the time of the Founding.)

Justice Stewart further commented in Schempp that “the Fourteenth Amendment has somehow absorbed the Establishment Clause, although it is not without irony that a constitutional provision evidently designed to leave the States free to go their own way should now have become a restriction upon their autonomy.” This was the same irony Justice Thomas noted in Elk Grove Unified when he said that "As strange as it sounds, an incorporated Establishment Clause prohibits exactly what the Establishment Clause protected—state practices that pertain to an establishment of religion.”

Long before Schempp, in 1947, Justice Frankfurter had argued powerfully in his concurrence in Adamson v. California that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment did not incorporate any part of the first eight amendments in the Bill of Rights--including the Establishment Clause--and apply it to the states. And Frankfurter was not the only one to subscribe to this "no incorporation" theory.

Of course nothing in the Bill of Rights originally applied to the states, as the Court made clear way back in 1833 in Barron v. Baltimore. It was the Supreme Court, in a long series of decisions starting about 1900, that applied first one bit of it and then another to them. The rationale for this--which has changed considerably over the years--was that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment was intended to "incorporate" some guarantees in the Bill of Rights (but not others) and apply them to the states. The Court did this with the Establishment Clause in Everson v. Board of Education in 1947, hardly bothering to support the incorporation with any reasoning. That explains Justice Stewart's remark that the Fourteenth Amendment "has somehow" absorbed the Establishment Clause.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/abort...ourt-rules-post1064840986.html#post1064840986
 
What if he did?

"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

- US constitution.

Islam has been at war with Christianity and Western civilization since the 7th Century. They share none of our values and have nothing but hatred towards us. As soon as they become a more numerous percentage of our population, they will try to take over like they've done everywhere else on this planet.
 
Understand that this may be a faux point to highlight exactly how these situations are looked at by the left. Say the only black SCOTUS member was a Democrat appointee and then conservatives attacked him/her for their rulings. The first thing brought up would be race.

I don't think you were being racist but I do see the "turnabout's fair play" aspect of bringing it up.

Well, I don't hold individuals accountable for the actions of everyone else in a group I identify them with. So, if someone was calling me a "racist" based on hypothetical feelings about what someone on the left might say about what someone on the right might say about a justice appointed by someone on the left, that "someone" was being (1) ridiculous, (2) slimey, and (3) ridiculous...

...and an unpleasant orifice, to boot.
 
Well, I don't hold individuals accountable for the actions of everyone else in a group I identify them with. So, if someone was calling me a "racist" based on hypothetical feelings about what someone on the left might say about what someone on the right might say about a justice appointed by someone on the left, that "someone" was being (1) ridiculous, (2) slimey, and (3) ridiculous...

...and an unpleasant orifice, to boot.

Possibly, but that's how it feels to object to various things, if you're coming from a conservative perspective, so very often.
 
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